Where do these "rights" come from, nature or man?
If they come from man they can be taken away or changed. Nature never changes.
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Obama, Biden statement on gun policy (11:45 a.m. ET)
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Where do these "rights" come from, nature or man?
If they come from man they can be taken away or changed. Nature never changes.
Why did we not ban musliums after they murdered 3000 americans in just a few hours? I dont think we should import any more of them, and ban making anymore of them. And just to be on the safe side, we have them all registered, and be turned in to the goverment if needed. There problem solved.
They are 100% Natural as stated in the Constituiton. They are not being taught that way though.
No they are not "natural" laws. The Bill of Rights makes no assertion of natural laws.
It does state that they are there to limit the powers of the government "in good faith"
The only "natural" constants are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Most of the founders were children of the "enlightenment", not orthodox christians like we have been taught. Hence words like creator. They knew all came from nature. Unfortunately most of the sheep today think "rights" come from a piece of paper.
The way I look at it is: if I didn't sign it, WTF does it have to do with me?
I'm a MAN, not a CITIZEN. A citizen is a fictional creation of law.
Congress of the United States begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.
ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution
First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Second Amendment – Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.[60]
Third Amendment – Protection from quartering of troops.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Please show me where it states that these are "natural" or "holy" or "ordained by god" or even inalienable?
In other words the Amendments don't stand alone. You can't just pick out amendments and copy text without reading them in the context of the constitution. There is no way to take from the constitution, you can only add to it. I think that maybe we are off topic and I apologize. Lets just agree to disagree, ok.
No that is exactly the topic. You can't quote the Bill of Rights like scripture as the end all, be all of validity of the argument and then say "well it has to do with the Constitution".
Of course it does, the Bill of Rights are just the first 10 amendments. Nothing more, nothing less.
They do not say that we are assured of these rights by nature, by virtue of providence, nor by the Almighty himself, rather, they state these are the things the federal government will ensure, until they are repealed or made otherwise obsolete by legislation.
I agree that you and I disagree.
