One for all you Pit Bull apologists...

[Fatal_Bert]

Lol Don’t talk to me anymore about biased opinions

See the links from AVMA and ATTS

 

[BamaBrad]

How bout this breed. Fila Brasileiro I’m thinking about a couple to fend off the neighborhood pit bulls and small town thugs.

 

[GeauxLSU]

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So what this is saying is, Chihuahua owners are more likely to be jerks?
<--- Does not own a Chihuahua.

 

[sparked1]

Pit Bulls are a lot like Sig Sauers. They're great and reliable but if not handled with care, they can go off unexpectedly and when they do, there's no coming back.

 

[Vman]

Or how about the American Veterinarian Medical Association?

https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/L...of-Breed-in-Dog-Bite-Risk-and-Prevention.aspx


Literature Reviews
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Breeds Implicated in Serious Bite Injuries
In a range of studies, the breeds found to be highly represented in biting incidents were German Shepherd Dog,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,50mixed breed,1,4,6,8,10,11,12,19,17, 20,50 pit bull type,5,9,13,16,21,20,22,23,24,25,26,27Rottweiler,15,18,22,24,25,28 Jack Russell Terrier,21,25,26 and others (Chow Chow,7,23Spaniel,14,26 Collie,3,29 Saint Bernard,20 and Labrador Retriever2).

If you consider only the much smaller number of cases that resulted in very severe injuries or fatalities,21,23 pit bull-type dogs are more frequently identified. However this may relate to the popularity of the breed in the victim's community, reporting biases and the dog's treatment by its owner (e.g., use as fighting dogs21). It is worth noting that fatal dog attacks in some areas of Canada are attributed mainly to sled dogs and Siberian Huskies,56 presumably due to the regional prevalence of these breeds. See Table 1 for a summary of breed data related to bite injuries.

Controlled Studies
The prevalence of particular dog breeds can also change rapidly over time, often influenced by distinct peaks of popularity for specific breeds. It seems that increased popularity is sometimes followed by increases in bite reports in some large breeds. For example there was a distinct peak in American Kennel Club registration of Rottweilers30between 1990 and 1995, and they come at the top of the list of 'biting breeds' for the first time in studies of bites causing hospitalization in the late 90s and early 2000s.25,28,15,58 While it must be noted that other fad breeds such as Dalmatians and Irish setters do not seem to make similar appearances, any estimate of breed-based risk must take into account the prevalence of the breed in the population at the time and place of serious biting events.17,31

For example, researchers can compare well-documented bite cases with matched control households. Using this method, one study found that the breeds disproportionately involved in bite injuries requiring medical attention in the Denver area (where pit bull types are not permitted) were the German Shepherd Dog and Chow Chow.64

Other studies use estimates of breed prevalence that do not relate specifically to the households where the bites occurred, such as general community surveys, breed registries, licensed dogs or animal shelter populations (See Table 2.). A study in Rome, Italy where molloser dogs like mastiff are reputed to be the most dangerous dogs, found they were not disproportionately involved in biting incidents when taking into account their prevalence in the community.32These prevalence referenced studies attribute higher risk to the German Shepherd Dog and crosses60,61,62,63,64, and various other breeds (mixed breed,62,63 Cocker spaniel,61,65 Chow Chow,64,65 Collie,61 Doberman,60 Lhasa Apso,44,65Rottweiler,49 Springer Spaniel,43 Shih Tsu,43 and Poodle62).

Aggressive Breeds
Based on behavioral assessments and owner surveys the breeds that were more aggressive towards people were small to medium-sized dogs such as the collies, toy breeds and spaniels.33,34,35,36,37 For example, a survey of general veterinary clientele in Canada (specifically practices in New Brunswick, Novia Scotia, and Prince Edward Island) identified Lhasa Apso, Springer spaniel and Shih Tsu as more likely to bite.43

While small dogs may be more aggressive their size means they are less likely to inflict serious bite injury except on vulnerable individuals or as part of a pack attack, which also allows dogs to seriously or injury healthy older children or adults.38,39 Referrals for aggression problems more closely approximate the breeds implicated in serious bite attacks, probably because owners are more likely to seek treatment for aggression in dogs that are large enough to be dangerous. Larger dogs (regardless of breed) are implicated in more attacks on humans40 and other dogs.41

Certain large breeds are notably under-represented in bite statistics such as large hounds and retrievers (e.g., Labrador Retrievers and Golden Retrievers)35,43—although even these breeds may have known aggressive subtypes.42 Results relating to German Shepherd Dogs are mixed,36,43suggesting there may be particularly high variability in this breed, perhaps depending on regional subtypes or ownership factors.

Pit Bull Types
Owners of pit bull-type dogs deal with a strong breed stigma,44 however controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous. The pit bull type is particularly ambiguous as a "breed" encompassing a range of pedigree breeds, informal types and appearances that cannot be reliably identified. Visual determination of dog breed is known to not always be reliable.45 And witnesses may be predisposed to assume that a vicious dog is of this type.

It should also be considered that the incidence of pit bull-type dogs' involvement in severe and fatal attacks may represent high prevalence in neighborhoods that present high risk to the young children who are the most common victim of severe or fatal attacks. And as owners of stigmatized breeds are more likely to have involvement in criminal and/or violent acts46—breed correlations may have the owner's behavior as the underlying causal factor.

But, but, but Feeeeeels and, and, and "science"! *sigh

 

[mfoster]

My beliefs in all dogs,if it will eat it’s own crap and screw its mother,don’t just assume they won’t bite you.

 

[Formikaus]

I for one, am not a fan of the breed. I find them highly unattractive for a dog. This is probably due to my bias of owning GSD's. My brother along with other family members own pitts and for the life of me I cant understand why so many variations of one breed. I hear them talk about this rednose bully, or this blue pitt, or this or that. Or why hang ropes from the tree for them to hang on? I also have friends who hog hunt with them down here in S.E Ga.

Now, with that being said, I do not fault anyone who chooses one breed of dog over another. I respect their choice to own whichever breed they like. I just prefer GSD's.

I have only had two negative "run ins" with the pitt breed. When I was around 15 or so we had a neighbor out in the country that kept about 10 of them in kennels out back. We all assumed that he fought them due to the constant turnover of the dogs. Somehow they got out one night and went on a, I guess you could call it a "killing spree". They killed every neighborhood animal they come across. This includes one neighbor's 3 pot belly pigs, one neighbor's goat, and around 6 other dogs.

I was awaken by my dad handing me a 30-30 while he grabbed the shotgun. They had cornered our Tennessee Walker and our old Appaloosa horse. We dispatched all of them, 8 or 9 total, and dropped them off in his driveway. He was very upset, but understood why we killed them.

The other was two stray pitts killed our Husky while on his runner. By the time I got out there, it was too late.

It is coincident that these breeds were pitts. In both situations I blame the owner more than the breed.

 

[greg vess]

On that we can agree. I know there are breeds of dogs people own that I ask myself "why would you risk having that dog around". But in the vein of "dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery" I can't bring myself to call for the banning or destruction of a breed of dog just because some have caused havoc. Theres a video on youtube of a homesteader who has a particular breed for guarding his sheep, I think it's an Andalusian Shephard but I can't remember specifically offhand. But the dog is bred to be very protective of the flock. Even though the owner and the dog had been together since it was a puppy he had to interact with the dog well away from the flock. One day he turned to talk to the dog too close to the flock and it literally almost tore his face off and would have likely killed him! Even after that he doesn't blame the dog! Personally I could care less about the purpose or breeding of the dog, it would have been dead as soon as I was able to kill it! I try to be prepared as I can be to protect myself and my family and hope I never have to respond. I've been close a few times, fortunately a counter aggressive stance has stopped most of them. Twice my last dog (a boxer) was attacked by another dog (1 mutt and 1 shephard) the first dog I had a full run at and kicked him as hard as I could behind the ribs, honestly hoping to do enough internal damage to kill it because that dog had attacked another dog before. The Shephard I had seen coming and took my dogs leash off ahead of time so when he started getting aggressive I whacked him right over the top of the muzzle with the snap of the leash and he stopped. And yes, I had to take an stance against what looked like a pit mix before when I was out for a walk with my dog and, at the time, infant son. But all to say, as you stated, doesn't matter the breed-if it's a genuine danger it needs to be handled one way or another

When we got ours our family and all their friends and all their friend just thought we were the worst parents in the world. My mother was just frightened to death. Everyone was going bananas.

Now that we have had the dog 5 or 6 years all of our friends are getting pits, or American Staffordshire Terriers. They could not believe a look so devious and has that kind of rap could be such a gentle, loving, fun loving dogs just like any other dog. My mother now says that he is the best dog she have ever seen around people and she just loves that loves that dog to death. Just because that dog has a history for aggression doesn't mean yours will absolutely turn viscous and deadly. The media has given the dog a bad name. There are more bites from all the other dog breeds alone than there are Pit bites. The reason the pits get the crappy rap is strength in the jaws. When they bit they usually leave a ugly wound.

If you read up on the Pit terrier breed it will say they are " The nanny dog " because they on guard of their owners kids at all time. This is the truth. We lived in a 3 level apartment when we got him and he would run up the stairs until he couldn't see our kids. The second he lost sight he stopped and waited for them to catch up. Then he off again just having fun but wasn't going to let our kides out his sight.

Our vet even lets Opie walk around the office so he can love on all his laddies at times. Everyone that meets this dog just loves him to death. Believe or not that's an understatement.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

When we got ours our family and all their friends and all their friend just thought we were the worst parents in the world. My mother was just frightened to death. Everyone was going bananas.

Now that we have had the dog 5 or 6 years all of our friends are getting pits, or American Staffordshire Terriers. They could not believe a look so devious and has that kind of rap could be such a gentle, loving, fun loving dogs just like any other dog. My mother now says that he is the best dog she have ever seen around people and she just loves that loves that dog to death. Just because that dog has a history for aggression doesn't mean yours will absolutely turn viscous and deadly. The media has given the dog a bad name. There are more bites from all the other dog breeds alone than there are Pit bites. The reason the pits get the crappy rap is strength in the jaws. When they bit they usually leave a ugly wound.

If you read up on the Pit terrier breed it will say they are " The nanny dog " because they on guard of their owners kids at all time. This is the truth. We lived in a 3 level apartment when we got him and he would run up the stairs until he couldn't see our kids. The second he lost sight he stopped and waited for them to catch up. Then he off again just having fun but wasn't going to let our kides out his sight.

Our vet even lets Opie walk around the office so he can love on all his laddies at times. Everyone that meets this dog just loves him to death. Believe or not that's an understatement.

Opie looks and sounds like a wonderful dog Greg. Sounds like my FatAlbert, he loved kids and was a ladies man as well. Some in my family were nervous about me having a pitbull too, he went everywhere I went so they had to get over it. Fast forward 12 years and when he died everyone balled their eyes out. It's been two and a half years and I still don't have a friend or family member who can talk about him without getting teared up.

 

[8675309]

How bout this breed. Fila Brasileiro I’m thinking about a couple to fend off the neighborhood pit bulls and small town thugs.

perfect dog for this guy