One of the last photographs of Trayvon Martin

[Hasselhoss]

This is the prosecutions turn to present it's case, its not supposed to look good for him yet. If it don't look good for him during the Defense stage he is screwed!But so far his defense attorney sounds like an idiot.

Knock Knock

 

[ShawnZR-1]

GZ is the only witness to the actual incident. Only one witness actually saw a portion of the altercation and he put TM on top of GZ in two drawings. All of the others heard "something" and several of them have changed their testimony.

ALL of the physical evidence supports GZ's account of the event. He made his initial statements less than 10 minutes after shooting TM to the first detective on scene and through at least three more "interviews", his story didn't change at all. Either George is a pathological liar (not likely), or his story is the truth and what actually happened.

If you listen to his initial call to the police, he even states that he lost TM and was reluctant to give his address out in fear TM would be able to determine where George lived. George stopped walking almost immediately after the operator said "We don't need you to do that", in which GZ replied "Ok" and you could hear the wind noise die down and Georges voice become steady again.

I absolutely believe George was ambushed and sucker punched by TM and TM continued beating on GZ until he was shot. So far, the prosecution hasn't offered any evidence to the contrary.

 

[GeauxLSU]

The facts of this case have never been very clear to me. TM parents are obviously not objective about their son and Zimmerman isn't telling the whole truth. I'd enjoy knowing exactly what happened and whether TM has any history of violence or crime. If it comes out that it was justifiable self defense, I hope he is set free no matter the riots. If Zimmerman aggravated the situation with words or giving chase, he is going to have problems.

There were some facebook posts (or other social media) where he was apparently "talking about guns and fighting". Who knows what that really means? He was suspended at least a few times for pot smoking and I think picked up for truancy. I don't believe he had any violent criminal record but not sure what we'd know in that regard anyway since he's a juvenile. His past less than desirable behavior is apparently not admissable.

 

[GeauxLSU]

This is the prosecutions turn to present it's case, its not supposed to look good for him yet. If it don't look good for him during the Defense stage he is screwed!But so far his defense attorney sounds like an idiot.

Mistrial?

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I also find it HIGHLY unlikely that Zimmerman could have caught Martin on foot unless Martin wanted him to.

Even in those pants?

 

[alnen]

I'm trying not to interject my opinion, but I guess that by posting this link, that's what I'm doing. http://legalinsurrection.com/author/law-of-self-defense/ Definitely biased, but it makes a good counter to the mainstream media bias. You can listen to the 911 call audio with your own ears and handy stuff like that, so it's another cool resource to keep in mind. I am trying my best to keep an open mind, but I don't fall for the "emotion plea" that has become all to common. Looking for facts, namely on the state's side, as they are the ones who have to prove his guilt. Haven't been impressed thus far.

 

[brittthomas]

let zimmerman go, let Sanford FL burn.

This.

 

[Hasselhoss]

GZ is the only witness to the actual incident. Only one witness actually saw a portion of the altercation and he put TM on top of GZ in two drawings. All of the others heard "something" and several of them have changed their testimony.

ALL of the physical evidence supports GZ's account of the event. He made his initial statements less than 10 minutes after shooting TM to the first detective on scene and through at least three more "interviews", his story didn't change at all. Either George is a pathological liar (not likely), or his story is the truth and what actually happened.

If you listen to his initial call to the police, he even states that he lost TM and was reluctant to give his address out in fear TM would be able to determine where George lived. George stopped walking almost immediately after the operator said "We don't need you to do that", in which GZ replied "Ok" and you could hear the wind noise die down and Georges voice become steady again.

I absolutely believe George was ambushed and sucker punched by TM and TM continued beating on GZ until he was shot. So far, the prosecution hasn't offered any evidence to the contrary.

The sensationalizing by the media is disgusting and has slanted public opinion. However, a quick look at the facts do elicit some questions that must be answered.

The facts:

• Trayvon Martin got in trouble at school in Miami and was suspended for 10 days.
• His dad made him go to Sanford with him for the week so that he would not sit around the house enjoying his suspension.
• Martin was at the house while his dad and the fiance went out for dinner.
• He called his dad and asked if he could please walk up to the store to get some snacks because he was going stir crazy in the house. (my words)
• It was extremely dark and was lightly raining.
• Martin walked up to the store.
• Martin was walking back to the house with snacks.
• Martin was wearing a hoodie in the rain.
• Zimmerman was leaving to go to the store to get his lunch for work the next day.
• He saw Martin and called 911
• Zimmerman followed Martin
• Zimmerman lost Martin
• Zimmerman went looking for him.
• Zimmerman's flashlight wasn't working
• Zimmerman suddenly came upon Martin
• A fight ensued
• Zimmerman got his butt handed to him
• Zimmerman shot Martin.

In my opinion, the entire case rests on a few variables:

• The nature of the fight / who attacked who
• Can you resort to deadly force if you are in a fight and begin losing?
  • If yes, does it matter if you started the fight?

If you step back and look at it from Martin's side. What would you have done in the same situation? I can only say that, at 17, I would have jumped on someone following me and chasing me in the dark. I would have done my best to whoop their butt as well.

This is a tough one and, while Martin wasn't an angel, at this point I think Zimmerman screwed up bad and deserves to go to jail for manslaughter. I may change that as the evidence unfolds though.

 

[Laufen]

Colonel Jeff Cooper was a huge advocate of avoiding situations in which you place yourself in danger of a confrontation. That's exactly what GZ did. TM was potentially up to no good, and GZ went looking for trouble. This didn't need to end in loss of life, it should never have gotten that far.

 

[GeauxLSU]

I'm trying not to interject my opinion, but I guess that by posting this link, that's what I'm doing. http://legalinsurrection.com/author/law-of-self-defense/ Definitely biased, but it makes a good counter to the mainstream media bias. You can listen to the 911 call audio with your own ears and handy stuff like that, so it's another cool resource to keep in mind. I am trying my best to keep an open mind, but I don't fall for the "emotion plea" that has become all to common. Looking for facts, namely on the state's side, as they are the ones who have to prove his guilt. Haven't been impressed thus far.

An objective finding would not find him guilty of murder (manslaughter, 'maybe') unless there is a WHOLE LOT of evidence to that affect we've heard nothing about. But we are not going to have an objective finding anyway. At the end of the day a kid died young. It's hard to find any goodness in that.

 

[Laufen]

The sensationalizing by the media is disgusting and has slanted public opinion. However, a quick look at the facts do elicit some questions that must be answered.

The facts:

• Trayvon Martin got in trouble at school in Miami and was suspended for 10 days.
• His dad made him go to Sanford with him for the week so that he would not sit around the house enjoying his suspension.
• Martin was at the house while his dad and the fiance went out for dinner.
• He called his dad and asked if he could please walk up to the store to get some snacks because he was going stir crazy in the house. (my words)
• It was extremely dark and was lightly raining.
• Martin walked up to the store.
• Martin was walking back to the house with snacks.
• Martin was wearing a hoodie in the rain.
• Zimmerman was leaving to go to the store to get his lunch for work the next day.
• He saw Martin and called 911
• Zimmerman followed Martin
• Zimmerman lost Martin
• Zimmerman went looking for him.
• Zimmerman's flashlight wasn't working
• Zimmerman suddenly came upon Martin
• A fight ensued
• Zimmerman got his butt handed to him
• Zimmerman shot Martin.

In my opinion, the entire case rests on a few variables:

• The nature of the fight / who attacked who
• Can you resort to deadly force if you are in a fight and begin losing?
  • If yes, does it matter if you started the fight?

If you step back and look at it from Martin's side. What would you have done in the same situation? I can only say that, at 17, I would have jumped on someone following me and chasing me in the dark. I would have done my best to whoop their butt as well.

This is a tough one and, while Martin wasn't an angel, at this point I think Zimmerman screwed up bad and deserves to go to jail for manslaughter. I may change that as the evidence unfolds though.

I pretty much agree 100%.