Question for the LEOs!

[Jambo]

Agreed on the first point.

I’m conflicted about the Flock cameras. I don’t believe in constant surveillance like New York City is, but I see their value in catching crimes in-progress/evidence of crimes and using them to put criminals away.

Now, I have to wonder if criminals have simply become more sophisticated where this has become a necessary evil or if law enforcement (at all levels of the justice system, not just police) simply doesn’t have the means, manpower, or resources to investigate and do the legwork needed? I truly do not know.

Freedom is scary.

Seriously, a mandatory GPS tracker in every car would solve crimes, too.

Flock readers are the same as a creepy guy in a van sitting on the roadside photographing and recording every plate - except WE are paying him to do it.

But don't worry, they pinky swear they won't misuse the data they collect, and a big data company would never lie. And police would never misuse it; disregard all those stories of police misusing it.

 

[Jambo]

As far as I know, they are used primarily to look and see if you are on a cell phone, at least around here.
Those cameras are insanely detailed, can even see some of the text or picture that is up.
Many states at least 16 are considering strong restriction or limits. 49 of 50 states are using them, and are marketed to HOAs and such.
Until they are challenged to SCOTUS.
That have uses, but IMO they should have limits to how they are used.

No. They record license plate, make and model, and identifying characteristics of every tag they see. This is kept in a database that can be searched and shared across multiple agencies. They also flag tags on the "hot list" so police can be dispatched.

There have been many instances of "high risk" stops being undertaken on innocent people. Car is surrounded, guns drawn, walk back to the sound of my voice, put the cuffs on you, oh, darn, this car isn't stolen after all, so glad we didn't shoot you, make sure to support your local police.

The govt knows they can't put up these cameras because of that pesky Constitution, so they pay a private company to do it for them.

 

[Ken Ford]

No. They record license plate, make and model, and identifying characteristics of every tag they see. This is kept in a database that can be searched and shared across multiple agencies. They also flag tags on the "hot list" so police can be dispatched.

There have been many instances of "high risk" stops being undertaken on innocent people. Car is surrounded, guns drawn, walk back to the sound of my voice, put the cuffs on you, oh, darn, this car isn't stolen after all, so glad we didn't shoot you, make sure to support your local police.

The govt knows they can't put up these cameras because of that pesky Constitution, so they pay a private company to do it for them.

I’ve known many people that have been cited for phone use by these for phone use.
These are the ones lifer high in the air looking down into cars. Maybe they have a different name?
Edit they are Portable AI-assisted traffic cameras.

 

[CPA9mm]

I was at the Caffeine & Octane car show and noticed many of the nice cars (Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc.) had tags registered in Montana. I thought that was odd so I did some online learnin’. It looks like they register their cars there to avoid the GA sales tax which on cars like those could be $20K-$30K+.

As a car enthusiast.. I have no problem with it; it makes sense. Most people only keep those caliber of cars for a year or two, and full sales tax has already been paid by the person who bought the car new. It’s always seemed goofy to me that GA began charging TAVT on used cars. Plus, the MT plates just look awesome.

As a LEO, if you see a car driving down the interstate with a Montana plate, do you run their tags or pull them over? Can you pull them over? Do you even care at all? I’m curious what you guys think when you see it.

This is also prevalent in the Motor Home industry due to the high value and corresponding high tax. The state of Georgia is actively pursuing these.

 

[charlie hotel lima]

What is amazing down here, Albany is investing in the Flock camera's as fast as they can find the funding. After installing cameras at busy intersections and in the downtown area failed, the system was never functional, not important to the leaders to correct it. But, as folks are carrying the personal tracking devices sometimes used for communicating with others, there's no real privacy. Even trackers for auto insurance discounts collect data for the companies that is subject to be sold. We are comfortable with it all until it is used against us. It will all get better as AI makes us all safer.

 

[mikeyE]

I was at the Caffeine & Octane car show and noticed many of the nice cars (Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc.) had tags registered in Montana. I thought that was odd so I did some online learnin’. It looks like they register their cars there to avoid the GA sales tax which on cars like those could be $20K-$30K+.

As a car enthusiast.. I have no problem with it; it makes sense. Most people only keep those caliber of cars for a year or two, and full sales tax has already been paid by the person who bought the car new. It’s always seemed goofy to me that GA began charging TAVT on used cars. Plus, the MT plates just look awesome.

As a LEO, if you see a car driving down the interstate with a Montana plate, do you run their tags or pull them over? Can you pull them over? Do you even care at all? I’m curious what you guys think when you see it.

You would need a reasonable, articulable suspicion of criminal activity to pull them over. There is no issue with running tags at random. An out-of-state tag on the interstate is ubiquitous, given your scenario, so that is in itself not enough to make a traffic stop.

 

[fast306stang]

Even trackers for auto insurance discounts collect data for the companies that is subject to be sold.

I refuse to put a tracker on my phone to get a discounted rate on my car insurance. They can **** right the hell off. Wife gets mad bc she wants the discount but you can look at my driving history and see I've never caused/been cited for an accident nor have I ever cost an insurance company a dime.

 

[Gixxer]

I see you have confirmed they do run the plates the very next statement, so we agree, you're just being arrogant about it.

That's his default setting. Figured you'd be aware of that by now.

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

Is there Reasonable, Articulable Suspicion to pull over a car with out of state plates
when smart A.I. traffic cameras have identified that vehicle and that license plate being used in Georgia multiple times a day every day for more than say, 90 days when Georgia law says you have to change your vehicles registration when you've been living in this state for more than 30 days?

Assuming the cameras & computers are used to create a database of when a vehicle was spotted on the roads and where it was located at that time, it seems this would be a very easy way to catch those people who register their vehicles out of state for tax purposes but live here and use them here.

I knew a person who moved here from Florida 10 years ago and she still has her car registered in Florida through some friend's or relative's address down there.

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

This article, published one year ago and a response to some lawsuits against FLOCK over their massive database of vehicles and their movements, says:


"...this detailed data collection raises concerns about prolonged monitoring and data retention. The lawsuit claims that these cameras, which are designed to retain data for extended periods, allow law enforcement to effectively track the movements and activities of residents without individualized suspicion. Plaintiffs argue that this aggregated data creates a detailed historical record of every vehicle, infringing on privacy rights." [emphasis added].

Privacy Violated, Warrantless Surveillance Alleges Flock Safety Camera Lawsuit

A new federal lawsuit brought by the Institute for Justice (IJ) challenges the extensive use of automated surveillance cameras in a Virginia city.

www.forbes.com