Robbed at gun point in HIRAM

[brad sweet]

I agree 100%. One of the things that often gets overlooked in "training" is staying out of, exiting as soon as possible, troubling situations.

The first way to avoid this would have been to practice the golden rule of Gunfu.....choose to live a life of avoidance and de-escalation. As a previous poster stated, choosing to withdraw money at an ATM in the wee hours of the morning is literally the same as looking for a cool drink at the watering hole while the lions circle about. Can you do it and not get assaulted? Sure...if the lions have had their fill for the day. But sooner or later you will be required to ante up.

Secondly, it pays to remember that situational awareness applies all the tims, and you cannot slip into the white just because you are behind the locked door of a building, vehicle.... Had the victim recognized the blocking car's actions soon enough, he could have drove around, through, over the half assed goon squad and got away before any of them had time to exit their vehicles and get their guns rolling. Assuming your only weapon is the one on your side, and forgetting the 3000 pound bullet you are driving could be a result of focusing too much gun handling, and not enough on comprehensive self defense.

Everybody wants to train with their gun. Shooting is fun. Many other of the aspects of the self defense package are expensive or just suck. Driver's training is pricey. Functional fitness and heavy hands combat require a love of the suck that many are just too unwilling to embrace. Sitting through a session where the focus in on the greatest self defense tool...the mind...is not hooah enough. The price paid for such choices is finding yourself in a situation where your only thought is how do I get my gun into play, and hope that I prevail. Or should I just sit it out and let the situation unfold, and hope that it works out ok? As a great man once said, "Hope is not a strategy." As always, YMMV.

yes "SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AT ALL TIMES"..use what ever you can to get out of the situation and having the courage and knowledge to do so! great post CQB27

 

[brad sweet]

And now i going to go practice what i have preached any one care to joint me at GA firing line?

 

[CQB27]

Why would you go to an atm at 1am or get boxed in , always leave yourself an out for defensive driving purposes at the least. My 350 horses would have become a battering ram also while mag dumping since lately its give me your money & still get shot.

Choosing to drive and shoot means you won't do either very well. There is defensive driving, or shooting, not both . It would be much better to focus all your effort on the most productive weapon in response to that situation, your vehicle. Choosing to drive and shoot is kind of like finding yourself face to face with a lone armed assailant, and choosing to draw your pistol and knife because it doubles your lethality. I think your thoughts are the same most would have, and are the most common because most of us focus on gun training exclusively. As always, YMMV.

Edit to add: Digging the profile pic butchdog. Love me some Rifleman.

 

[rimfireguy]

And now i going to go practice what i have preached any one care to joint me at GA firing line?

might not be the best place to joint but im down

 

[Ken Ford]

If I was taking money out at 0100 I would have been uber nervous and on high alert until I was home, and even then...

But then again 14 years a cop will do that to ya.

 

[Mr. Goodbar]

If I was taking money out at 0100 I would have been uber nervous and on high alert until I was home, and even then...

But then again 14 years a cop will do that to ya.

Doesn't matter the time, I'm always paying attention at a atm

 

[CQB27]

might not be the best place to joint but im down

 

[Targetmaster]

You don't even have to hit anybody with that setup. After a few shots, everyone will be down on the ground clutching their bleeding ears.

It do put out a lot of noise, even scares me when I unload a drum down range ASAP

 

[fast306stang]

we should all train for this scenario...and ones we hear about on a daily basis..how could that have been prevented? how could i stop eminent danger?..would leaving a car length in front of another car been sufficient for an escape route? would firing at one or two prevent your death or injury? would ACTION of VIOLENCE be the proper outcome for mind set of defense instead of offense?.. Train for this and the use of Violence of Action..four guys or ten..this is why we conceal carry and train for this!

I agree 100%. One of the things that often gets overlooked in "training" is staying out of, exiting as soon as possible, troubling situations.

The first way to avoid this would have been to practice the golden rule of Gunfu.....choose to live a life of avoidance and de-escalation. As a previous poster stated, choosing to withdraw money at an ATM in the wee hours of the morning is literally the same as looking for a cool drink at the watering hole while the lions circle about. Can you do it and not get assaulted? Sure...if the lions have had their fill for the day. But sooner or later you will be required to ante up.

Secondly, it pays to remember that situational awareness applies all the tims, and you cannot slip into the white just because you are behind the locked door of a building, vehicle.... Had the victim recognized the blocking car's actions soon enough, he could have drove around, through, over the half assed goon squad and got away before any of them had time to exit their vehicles and get their guns rolling. Assuming your only weapon is the one on your side, and forgetting the 3000 pound bullet you are driving could be a result of focusing too much gun handling, and not enough on comprehensive self defense.

Everybody wants to train with their gun. Shooting is fun. Many other of the aspects of the self defense package are expensive or just suck. Driver's training is pricey. Functional fitness and heavy hands combat require a love of the suck that many are just too unwilling to embrace. Sitting through a session where the focus in on the greatest self defense tool...the mind...is not hooah enough. The price paid for such choices is finding yourself in a situation where your only thought is how do I get my gun into play, and hope that I prevail. Or should I just sit it out and let the situation unfold, and hope that it works out ok? As a great man once said, "Hope is not a strategy." As always, YMMV.

Best 2 posts I've read on ODT in a long time, if not ever. Agreed 110%.

 

[Targetmaster]

Training with a firearm is not enough, you have to have the mind set to use it. Popping paper targets is not the same as shooting a live target, one that may shoot back. If you've never taken a life, there can be that 10000th of a sec you hesitate that could be your last sec on earth... Be prepared but be prepared to take it to the next step, Blowing that SOB to HELL..