SA35- what says the ODT?

[spencer60]

Wow... I picked up my Tisas for around $500 or so when they first came out. I didn't realize they had jumped up that high.

I thought it was said it would be made in the states. But I guess it could have imported parts.

I guess it depends on how they define 'made'. Could be assembled here from imported parts like a lot of their 1911s. They don't really have any real manufacturing capability.

 

[cmshoot]

SAI severed ties with Imbel in Brazil a while ago. Imbel forged some, but not all, of their 1911 frames. They are now made in the USA.

 

[geezer]

In stainless for 600 please….ill wait…

 

[spencer60]

SAI severed ties with Imbel in Brazil a while ago. Imbel forged some, but not all, of their 1911 frames. They are now made in the USA.

I remember that, although from what I would read on other forums it sounded like all their frames were Imbel, but the high-ends came in raw and were machined in the US.

I seem to remember there was some talk that they were getting their 1911 forgings from a company called Rennsport, which in turn got them from a S. Korean company, but SA never really says where they get all their parts, and 'Made in the USA' just means that they are assembled here.

Since all the Hi Power clones I've heard about recently are made in Turkey, that would be my guess for raw forgings.

Both Girsan and Tisas have been making HP clones for a bit now. In fact SA just got in the news by suing EAA for a parody ad they did announcing their introduction of the Girsan one. It wouldn't surprise me if they were getting their frames/slides from one of them and then finishing them off here.

In fact about the only thing that would surprise me would be if they actually did manufacture something themselves.

 

[Shey]

I remember that, although from what I would read on other forums it sounded like all their frames were Imbel, but the high-ends came in raw and were machined in the US.

I seem to remember there was some talk that they were getting their 1911 forgings from a company called Rennsport, which in turn got them from a S. Korean company, but SA never really says where they get all their parts, and 'Made in the USA' just means that they are assembled here.

Since all the Hi Power clones I've heard about recently are made in Turkey, that would be my guess for raw forgings.

Both Girsan and Tisas have been making HP clones for a bit now. In fact SA just got in the news by suing EAA for a parody ad they did announcing their introduction of the Girsan one. It wouldn't surprise me if they were getting their frames/slides from one of them and then finishing them off here.

In fact about the only thing that would surprise me would be if they actually did manufacture something themselves.

Interesting about the parody ads, completely missed this. Kinda funny though. I spy at least five changes/additions in the EAA ad. Anyone recognize the added photo in the upper left?

Lawsuit Alert: Springfield Armory v. EAA

The recent burst of Hi-Power news got a little weirder, with Springfield Armory filing a lawsuit against EAA, who also just announced a Hi-Power.

www.thefirearmblog.com

 

[cmshoot]

Not pointing fingers at any member in particular, but threads like this crack me up.

Folks gripe about the price, and state they’re not willing to purchase it unless it costs a certain price……or less.

Many of those same folks gripe because it probably isn’t 100% Made In The USA.

The days when you could have both are long past, folks. If you want quality steel forgings AND an economical price, it more than likely ain’t gonna be forged in the States.

Were any of the BHP’s forged in the US? The FN-stamped ones were forged in Belgium, and the later BHP’s in Portugal.

Around 1993, Browning switched to a cast frame.

Personally, I don’t believe Browning ever forged any frames in the US, but got the forgings from Belgium and Portugal. If so, then why the sour grapes over SAI frames not being forged in the US?

Would you rather have a frame cast in Belgium/Portugal, or a quality forging from somewhere else?

Since currently no one here seems to know where for sure where the frames forgings are manufactured, why the moaning when they never were forged here.

 

[spencer60]

To be honest I'm not an SA fan, but that's more about the cr@p they pulled in IL a few years back than any issues with their products.

I liked my M1A and XDS well enough, and it sounds as if their 1911s have always been a quality product no matter where the parts were sourced from.

I guess my only real complaint is when when people lump them in with real manufacturing companies. They do what they do very well, but you can't call that manufacturing.

 

[Shey]

Not pointing fingers at any member in particular, but threads like this crack me up.

Folks gripe about the price, and state they’re not willing to purchase it unless it costs a certain price……or less.

Many of those same folks gripe because it probably isn’t 100% Made In The USA.

The days when you could have both are long past, folks. If you want quality steel forgings AND an economical price, it more than likely ain’t gonna be forged in the States.

Were any of the BHP’s forged in the US? The FN-stamped ones were forged in Belgium, and the later BHP’s in Portugal.

Around 1993, Browning switched to a cast frame.

Personally, I don’t believe Browning ever forged any frames in the US, but got the forgings from Belgium and Portugal. If so, then why the sour grapes over SAI frames not being forged in the US?

Would you rather have a frame cast in Belgium/Portugal, or a quality forging from somewhere else?

Since currently no one here seems to know where for sure where the frames forgings are manufactured, why the moaning when they never were forged here.

Well, just read through the four pages on this thread. Honestly the only person complaining (gripe) is you sir.

 

[cmshoot]

Well, just read through the four pages on this thread. Honestly the only person griping is you sir.

Your reply made me scratch my head, so I went back through and read all my replies to this thread.

You either have me confused with someone else, or have an exceedingly poor grasp of the English language.

I posted the facts as I know them. Few folks here have access to dealer pricing, so I threw that in so that folks had a gauge as to what an acceptable retail price should be.

I posted the facts as I know them about Hi-Power manufacture over the decades, specifically as to where they’ve been made, and using what methods. That data came off the top of my head, a head which has had numerous concussions, so I welcome anyone here with better info to post it and correct what I left.

I posted some info from someone who has actually been shooting one for a while, which is always helpful.

I expressed my amusement at folks wanting 100% forged in the USA, while at the same time having it sold cheaply. I explained how that is near impossible in this day and age.

Amusement is not griping. I was neither distressed, vexed, irritated, or grumbling. The fact that I stated it was cracking me up, means that I found it humorous, not annoying.

Even though I clearly stated I was not pointing fingers at any member in particular, you obviously feel threatened, singled out, barracked, disparaged, tweaked, heckled, and scorned. Rest assured, I was not targeting you. As a matter of fact, until you replied and quoted me, I can honestly say your username was a complete blank to me.

 

[rgo]

Were any of the BHP’s forged in the US? The FN-stamped ones were forged in Belgium, and the later BHP’s in Portugal.

Around 1993, Browning switched to a cast frame.

Personally, I don’t believe Browning ever forged any frames in the US, but got the forgings from Belgium and Portugal. If so, then why the sour grapes over SAI frames not being forged in the US?

Would you rather have a frame cast in Belgium/Portugal, or a quality forging from somewhere else?

I believe FN always made their frames in Belgium but later HP's were "assembled" in Portugal. Probably similar to what SA is doing. "Made" in Turkey or somewhere and "assembled" in the U.S. If some percentage of the finishing is done in the U.S., the country of manufacture can legally be considered the U.S. and not where the forging was done.

FN's cast frames were known to be stronger than their forged frames. They switched to cast frames with the introduction of the .40 cal HP. The forged frames weren't standing up to the increased recoil. They could have made a strengthened forged frame, but it was cheaper to switch to cast.