Sky Guns International Executive AR Rifle In Case Coming soon in 7.62 NATO!!

[mtdawg169]

So... because a manufacturer won't provide a trade secret over a public internet forum you're inferring to possible customers that's a slight against the company? Sounds like you're just mad they won't tell you.

On another note - product looks cool. If I had the cash for one right now I'd definitely give it a hard look.

If it's been sold publicly, it's no longer a trade secret.

 

[SGIGUNS]

If it's been sold publicly, it's no longer a trade secret.

I was in a LGS last week with a long time customer last week, he laughed at our product being sold there under another brand name, because he recognized the product as ours. When he spoke with the owner, he said he would not sell our products, that he has been selling "xyz" product for years and saw no reason to do business with someone else. We did not tell him he was already selling our product, that is bad business.

 

[b.a.customkydex]

This is not the first time you have asked us questions that we have responded that it is not something we would discuss on a public forum. If you would like to meet and discuss our ambidextrous upper, I would actually be more than happy to do that. Again, how many truly ambidextrous uppers have you seen?? I guess you feel I should just attach the shape file to this message?? I actually enjoy discussing technical designs, but I am not about to discuss how we do something like this on a public forum. Answer a direct technical question, sure I would have no issue discussing how we manufacture 4 rail gas blocks, how we manufacture our quad rails or how we manufacture barrels. But I will not discuss in a public forum the origins of our quad rail design, who used to make it and how we wound up with its design plans. However, if you wanted to discuss that with us privately, we would be more than happy to do so. Secretive?? No, it is called protecting our intellectual property and the business that provided us with said property. However, it would be no secret if you purchased one of our quad rails. As soon as you have it in your hands you would now where the design came from originally, that is why we NEVER post pics of the barrel nut system for our quad rails. Just as we would never discuss who we manufacture components for. If the company we supply with parts has an agreement in place with us to sell a product as their own, it is not right for us to tell the public that they use our product. Perfect example is our Executive rifle, it is NOT a DRD Tactical take down upper, a DRD take down upper can only be purchased via RSR Group, you cannot even purchase them directly from DRD Tactical. You can buy their upper kits via Brownells only. We do not use these kits, we use DRD Tacticals patented barrel nut system and matching DRD Tactical QD rail. You might wonder how come every time I mention DRD Tactical I use their proper company name?? It is because I am contractually required to do so. I cannot sell rifles or uppers with DRD Tactical components that have exclusive distribution agreements in place, nor am I allowed to use any of their products without stating that they are DRD Tactical products.

Can we see some pics of your rails? Not the nut since its such a secret, but the rail itself?

If you use a DRD proprietary barrel nut and rail system that they designed and built .....I'd call that a DRD upper, what isn't DRD about it? Just the remaining mill spec parts?

 

[SGIGUNS]

Attached is a pic of our quad rail.

As for our Executive rifle, we do NOT use a DRD Tactical upper receiver. If you were to some how procure a DRD Tactical barrel nut system and a DRD Tactical QD rail system, you cannot install it on any mil spec upper receiver. It can be installed if you have the proper specifications and equipment to machine the upper receiver to fit these components. I can say that the upper receiver used is in no way meets mil spec after the modifications are done to fit the system. That is also why there will not be pics posted of these modifications.

 

[b.a.customkydex]

Attached is a pic of our quad rail.

As for our Executive rifle, we do NOT use a DRD Tactical upper receiver. If you were to some how procure a DRD Tactical barrel nut system and a DRD Tactical QD rail system, you cannot install it on any mil spec upper receiver. It can be installed if you have the proper specifications and equipment to machine the upper receiver to fit these components. I can say that the upper receiver used is in no way meets mil spec after the modifications are done to fit the system. That is also why there will not be pics posted of these modifications.

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But if you machine a mill spec upper to their specs.....what difference is it from a DRD upper that they milled the same way?

 

[SGIGUNS]

But if you machine a mill spec upper to their specs.....what difference is it from a DRD upper that they milled the same way?

It is a huge difference, to do the proper machining on your own. This is not something you can do with a dremel tool in your garage. The only way to buy this DRD Tactical products, specifically their take down upper is only from rsrgroup.com or from one of their dealers actually, they have the exclusive distribution of their products, it is also the only place you can buy a Paratus rifle. I cannot sell any product that has an exclusive distro agreement, and a complete DRD Tactical upper is one of those products.

 

[rOmiLaYu]

If I posted a discussion thread about The Gen 4 Glock 19, Colt AR, or any other firearm I would expect equal numbers of "love it" and "It sucks" posts.

I have no intention of buying a Taurus. Am I allowed to express an opinion in a "Firearms Chat" thread about them? If someone opened up a thread on WASRs, and there was a thread a few months ago about problems with them, am I not allowed to link one thread to another?

In theory I don't disagree with you....but you clearly came in with a defensive posture and purely to stir the pot. This wasn't a "hey guys what do you think about this weapon system?" thread in which you gave your opinion. This was a "hey guys, I'm selling this weapon system" thread in which you linked months old, drama-ridden posts from one individual who never actually even did business with the company in question.

 

[rOmiLaYu]

No disrespect intended, but I was interested. Maybe not in purchasing, but definitely in some of the technical aspects of the products. This is a discussion forum, after all. The technical requirements of designing an ambi upper receiver and a bolt carrier group that could be reconfigured for left or right hand use, peaked my interest and I was curious how the design worked. However, the defensive response from the manufacturer dictated an escalation. The fact that he can't provide direct answers to simple questions and historically, never has answered a direct question should be a clue for would be customers. There was no intent to provide a "gotcha" on my part or to drag anyone through the mud again. If that's how it plays out, well, Skyguns has no one to blame but themselves.

Notice my comment was aimed at captdave and not you.

 

[b.a.customkydex]

It is a huge difference, to do the proper machining on your own. This is not something you can do with a dremel tool in your garage. The only way to buy this DRD Tactical products, specifically their take down upper is only from rsrgroup.com or from one of their dealers actually, they have the exclusive distribution of their products, it is also the only place you can buy a Paratus rifle. I cannot buy any product that has an exclusive distro agreement, and a complete DRD Tactical upper is one of those products.

Don't bet the farm on what I can and can't do in my garage with a dremel.

 

[rOmiLaYu]

Don't bet the farm on what I can and can't do in my garage with a dremel.