Staying Legal ???

[CTS Tactical]

Yeah, but as the 2nd, 3rd or 4th owner, I’m at the original 1st buyers mercy to know the truth how my unmarked receiver was originally designated on that 1st buyer’s 4473 form, that is if it was sold to me assembled with 10 inch barrel and sig brace.

If it has never been assembled then it is an other/receiver. There is no other way to designate it. A stripped lower is just a stripped lower. If someone marked it on a 4473 as a rifle then they didn't do it right. The problem with one that has been passed around that much would be more of not knowing if it was ever assembled or not. Not how it was designated on a 4473. I have never heard of a licensed dealer who would mark a stripped lower as anything other than other/receiver. How could you possibly look at it and think it was a long gun or hand gun. It is not even capable of shooting in that form.

 

[CTS Tactical]

Supposedly Colt distributors never sold AR receivers as pistols, that unbui

Supposedly Colt distributors never sold AR receivers as pistols, that unbuilt Colt receivers are all Rifle receivers, so there’s that

The key word there is "supposedly".

 

[rinfanti]

So: what you do now is the following:

Get a bill of sale that states what the original configuration is. Was it a pistol, was it a rifle, was it never built?
If you can not do that then you can check with the manufacturer. they will know that status of how it was originally sent.

Based on this information you can now make an informed decision on what to do.

having said that: if it was sold by the manufacturer as a lower neither in pistol or rifle config then you are all set. however: Who really knows what happened after then with out tracing the serial number.

 

[Snack]

. I have never heard of a licensed dealer who would mark a stripped lower as anything other than other/receiver. How could you possibly look at it and think it was a long gun or hand gun. It is not even capable of shooting in that form.

I know FFL’s who wouldn’t mark stripped AR lowers “others” on the buyers 4473’s saying they didn’t feel comfortable not knowing its original configuration before receiving it from a gunbroker seller.

 

[CTS Tactical]

I know FFL’s who wouldn’t mark stripped AR lowers “others” on the buyers 4473’s saying they didn’t feel comfortable not knowing its original configuration before receiving it from a gunbroker seller.

That makes absolutely no sense. If they didn't know it's original configuration then what would they mark it as? Just pick something out of thin air? I am telling you that there are only three options: Long gun, hand gun, other. What category could a stripped lower possibly fit into other than the last one? While we are on the subject, a 4473 is nothing more than a transaction record. It is so the dealer can show a record of where that firearm went if it is ever traced. It is not a registration form in any shape form or fashion and if the dealer marked it wrong on the 4473 that is on him, not the buyer.

 

[Snack]

That makes absolutely no sense. If they didn't know it's original configuration then what would they mark it as? Just pick something out of thin air? I am telling you that there are only three options: Long gun, hand gun, other. What category could a stripped lower possibly fit into other than the last one?

Are you pounding your fists on the table while you’re telling me what’s what? Calm down and take a deep breath because regardless of what’s right or wrong, not all FFL’s follow the same path as you. I’m not a FFL, only someone who used to buy on gunbroker so dealt with many receiving FFL’s.
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[Radar363]

way to much thought went into that.....

Well he's a lawyer so...

 

[CTS Tactical]

Why would I be pounding my fists? What did I say that would make you think I am not calm? Point being, what you are saying makes no sense. If the dealer marks it wrong on the form then that does not change what it actually is. If you buy revolver and the dealer marked it on the 4473 as a shotgun do you own a shotgun or a revolver? Think about it. As I said, the 4473 is a transfer form, a transaction record so that the dealer, on the rare occasion they are asked for a trace can show what they did with the firearm in question. It does not change what the firearm is regardess of what they mark it as. Possibly an 07 FFL (manufacturer) could change what it is by building it but you guys give an O1 (dealer) way too much clout to think they could change the designation of a firearm with a simple stroke of a pen.

 

[summer44]

Question in my mind is, if I bought a other receiver from a ODT member who advertised it as a pistol and ATF later said to me that it was originally sold as a rifle receiver, does the ATF give me a pass and go after the ODT member who represented to me as a pistol? Could this be where a bill of sail actually comes in handy?

Why would the ATF have your lower and why would they be checking? What circumstances would bring you to that predicament. Unless you are being investigated at the federal level the ATF isn't getting involved. Where you see people getting charged with these kinda of crimes there is an underlying cause. Contrary to popular belief the ATF isn't out looking to nail Joe citizen because of mistaken infractions. They are looking for terrorist, illegal Manufacturing, illegal conversion, illegal trafficking, in conjunction with a gang. Organized crime. Not the guy who bought a striped lower and configure it as a handgun unknowingly from a lower that started as a rifle.

 

[MRM]

Why would the ATF have your lower and why would they be checking? What circumstances would bring you to that predicament. Unless you are being investigated at the federal level the ATF isn't getting involved. Where you see people getting charged with these kinda of crimes there is an underlying cause. Contrary to popular belief the ATF isn't out looking to nail Joe citizen because of mistaken infractions. They are looking for terrorist, illegal Manufacturing, illegal conversion, illegal trafficking, in conjunction with a gang. Organized crime. Not the guy who bought a striped lower and configure it as a handgun unknowingly from a lower that started as a rifle.

Just another version of "if you aren't doing anything wrong"
If the only applicability is in conjunction with a more serious offence, then why is it illegal?
Well I know the answer.