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Suppressed as nightstand defense weapon?

Actually, you are definitely tampering with evidence if you remove the can after shooting someone. After all, why would you take it off unless you thought it made you 'look guilty'?

Would they find out? Maybe. I guess it depends on the other evidence. For example if the forensic person was expecting powder burns due to the distance and there weren't any to be found.

The thing is if they did find out, your self-defense case would be pretty much out the window. The judge would instruct the jury to take your guilty behavior (tampering with the gun) as evidence of your guilt. Since the burden of proof is essentially (if not legally) on you to prove your innocence, that kind of jury instruction would be devastating even if every other piece of evidence exonerated you.

If you have a gun to use in self-defense, it's because you were concerned about the worst-case possibilities around a criminal encounter.

You have to think the same way about what would happen if you do need to use the gun. The folks who shrug that off and think the cops will just pat them on the back and tell them what a hero they are not thinking 'worst case' anymore, they are indulging in wish fulfillment.

We recently saw exactly this kind of 'worst case' scenario in the Zimmerman-Martin incident. That whole encounter was so 'typical' a self-defense encounter that it could have been a generic example from a textbook. Instead it turned into the biggest, most heavily examined trial since O.J.

Now imagine that level of scrutiny, and it comes out that you used a silencer! Heck, everyone knows only spies and assassins use silencers! Are you a spy? No... then you must be an assassin. This is like Silence of the Lambs right? You hunted that poor burglar, who was only stealing your TV so he could feed his 12 starving children, with your 'ghost gun' and shot him to death without making a sound!

And then it comes out that you tampered with the very murder weapon itself, trying to hide your guilt and get rid of that damning and deadly piece of evidence.

This will not end well.
 
Actually, you are definitely tampering with evidence if you remove the can after shooting someone. After all, why would you take it off unless you thought it made you 'look guilty'?

Would they find out? Maybe. I guess it depends on the other evidence. For example if the forensic person was expecting powder burns due to the distance and there weren't any to be found.

The thing is if they did find out, your self-defense case would be pretty much out the window. The judge would instruct the jury to take your guilty behavior (tampering with the gun) as evidence of your guilt. Since the burden of proof is essentially (if not legally) on you to prove your innocence, that kind of jury instruction would be devastating even if every other piece of evidence exonerated you.

If you have a gun to use in self-defense, it's because you were concerned about the worst-case possibilities around a criminal encounter.

You have to think the same way about what would happen if you do need to use the gun. The folks who shrug that off and think the cops will just pat them on the back and tell them what a hero they are not thinking 'worst case' anymore, they are indulging in wish fulfillment.

We recently saw exactly this kind of 'worst case' scenario in the Zimmerman-Martin incident. That whole encounter was so 'typical' a self-defense encounter that it could have been a generic example from a textbook. Instead it turned into the biggest, most heavily examined trial since O.J.

Now imagine that level of scrutiny, and it comes out that you used a silencer! Heck, everyone knows only spies and assassins use silencers! Are you a spy? No... then you must be an assassin. This is like Silence of the Lambs right? You hunted that poor burglar, who was only stealing your TV so he could feed his 12 starving children, with your 'ghost gun' and shot him to death without making a sound!

And then it comes out that you tampered with the very murder weapon itself, trying to hide your guilt and get rid of that damning and deadly piece of evidence.

This will not end well.
Distance-to-powder burn thing was a solid point.

Either way it would suck shooting someone these days because who ever you shot "was a good kid, about to go to college and was misunderstood. You're evil and now something needs looting"



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I used to keep a 19 with a can in my night stand but..... it's impossible with a 1-1/2 year old.

Now I just keep my EDC (usually a 19 with extra 17 + 2 mag) out everything else is in a safes, one safe is 6 feet to my left the other 6 feet to my right, both are pretty well stocked.
 
This is what I settled on in the end...

If I can get to my rifle, they work for the AR. If I can't, then they would work for the pistol by my bedside. If there's no time to use them then it's down to the pistol anyways and I'll take the slight loss of hearing over the full loss of life.

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This is what I settled on in the end...

If I can get to my rifle, they work for the AR. If I can't, then they would work for the pistol by my bedside. If there's no time to use them then it's down to the pistol anyways and I'll take the slight loss of hearing over the full loss of life.

(Sorry about the pic... can't seem to get it rotated right).
Accept the noise, better to have all your senses and the one thing you can't have back....time. the time it takes to fumble around looking/feeling around for ear muffs for what will statistically be less than 3 rounds could be the time you needed shoot the didntdonuffin. You're thinking too much.

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Accept the noise, better to have all your senses and the one thing you can't have back....time. the time it takes to fumble around looking/feeling around for ear muffs for what will statistically be less than 3 rounds could be the time you needed shoot the didntdonuffin. You're thinking too much.

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couldn't they use the earmuffs against you? You put them on in expectation of killing someone you murderous evil gun owner. Best thing to have is a phone on your night stand to call the police to protect you and your family.
 
Actually, since those are electronic muffs, I can hear better with them on than off. In fact if they did try to use them against me, that would be my argument, that they made me safer because I was more likely to be able to distinguish sounds clearly and correctly.

Planning ahead for this type of situation always gives the prosecution the chance to argue that you were 'just waiting' for an opportunity to use your gun. I'm not sure that there's anything you could do to close that door 100%.

I was taught that the key here is to have taken precautions that a 'reasonable' person would take, and to be able to clearly and convincingly articulate the reasons for those actions to a jury.

For example, I used to be dead-set against doing any kind of trigger work on a SD gun. I've kind of backed off that a bit because several folks here I respect pointed out that a better trigger makes them a more accurate shot, and hence safer to bystanders in a shooting situation.

I'd still say this was something for experts only, since you have now lost the protection of the manufacturer being able to explain why their trigger is 'safe', and have taken the burden of educating the jury on yourself. If you go that route you better be able to document your shooting skills before and after that trigger work showing the improvement.

In the end it's up to you on what you feel comfortable with potentially having to explain to a jury. I tend to be a pessimist, so I want as little as possible that could be misinterpreted if that situation ever came up.
 
Accept the noise, better to have all your senses and the one thing you can't have back....time. the time it takes to fumble around looking/feeling around for ear muffs for what will statistically be less than 3 rounds could be the time you needed shoot the didntdonuffin. You're thinking too much.

Yup, that's what I said above. If there's no time for the muffs then some loud noises won't be the end of the world. However in a 'what was that noise downstairs' type of situation, there's plenty of time for the muffs, and as mentioned above the amplification is actually a plus to using them.
 
Yup, that's what I said above. If there's no time for the muffs then some loud noises won't be the end of the world. However in a 'what was that noise downstairs' type of situation, there's plenty of time for the muffs, and as mentioned above the amplification is actually a plus to using them.
Just make sure you have your rape whistle.

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