Supreme Court Overrules Chevron Doctrine and now The ATF is screwed along with all federal agency's.

[Ken Ford]

It is not a moot point. The judicial system is the enforcement arm, sir. I'll take all of this pie we can dish out.

The judicial system has no enforcement arm. The DOJ is the closest thing to that there is.

The court tells the DOJ, ATF etc don’t do______ and the feds ignore it, who or how does the court enforce their ruling? Military and local LE doesn’t answer to the SC.
This current federal ABC leadership has shown that they are willing to ignore law when it suits them and then say “whoopsie”. And more recently they don’t even say that, instead they act if they are the unquestionable ruling deity.
Have you watched any of the hearings?

 

[rbstern]

The judicial system has no enforcement arm. The DOJ is the closest thing to that there is.

The court tells the DOJ, ATF etc don’t do______ and the feds ignore it, who or how does the court enforce their ruling? Military and local LE doesn’t answer to the SC.
This current federal ABC leadership has shown that they are willing to ignore law when it suits them and then say “whoopsie”. And more recently they don’t even say that, instead they act if they are the unquestionable ruling deity.
Have you watched any of the hearings?

You are innocent until proven guilty. If the precedent makes it harder to find you guilty because rules get thrown out by following the precedent, your day in court goes better.

And lawyers, even federally employed lawyers, don't like to chalk up L's on their resume.

 

[Ken Ford]

You are innocent until proven guilty. If the precedent makes it harder to find you guilty because rules get thrown out by following the precedent, your day in court goes better.

And lawyers, even federally employed lawyers, don't like to chalk up L's on their resume.

If they don’t bring the charges they don’t have a case to lose…

It is a win, if the agency’s comply.

We need a thorough cleaning of the DOJ and the agency’s that answer to them, hopefully voluntarily. Otherwise I fear we are lost.

 

[Lionheart]

The judicial system has no enforcement arm. The DOJ is the closest thing to that there is.

The court tells the DOJ, ATF etc don’t do______ and the feds ignore it, who or how does the court enforce their ruling? Military and local LE doesn’t answer to the SC.
This current federal ABC leadership has shown that they are willing to ignore law when it suits them and then say “whoopsie”. And more recently they don’t even say that, instead they act if they are the unquestionable ruling deity.
Have you watched any of the hearings?

Didn’t the Supreme Court tell Andy Jackson that he couldn’t forcibly remove the Cherokee from Georgia? Anybody remember his comment on the ruling?

 

[thevalueman]

Didn’t the Supreme Court tell Andy Jackson that he couldn’t forcibly remove the Cherokee from Georgia? Anybody remember his comment on the ruling?

Only recently has the supreme court held such powers....before, they would make rulings, and nobody really cared....somewhere, that changed...as mentioned before, they have no enforcement powers...

 

[Deleted member 97214]

It is a win, if the agency’s comply.

Dude make your mind up.... thats the point i was trying to make to you earlier, or are you just arguing for the fun of it. Again...

 

[Ken Ford]

Dude make your mind up.... thats the point i was trying to make to you earlier, or are you just arguing for the fun of it. Again...

Actually if you look I was agreeing with you.

I know we disagree often, but I’ve said this several times in this thread. Including my quote of your post.

 

[Deleted member 97214]

Actually if you look I was agreeing with you.

I know we disagree often, but I’ve said this several times in this thread. Including my quote of your post.

Well i said the ruling means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme, you said it did(if they comply)... i guess thats sort of an agreement.

We constantly disagree, sometimes in redundancy.

 

[Nuke And Juke]

Supreme Court Ends ‘Chevron Deference,’ Enhancing Challenges to Regulations​

The decision, announced on Friday, may have broad implications for retailers.

www.convenience.org

"The decision will make it easier for anyone to challenge a federal regulation and win. NACS has ongoing cases challenging federal and state vehicle technology mandates as well as newly invented regulatory interpretations of labor rules. All of these challenges face improved prospects following the Supreme Court’s decision."

Im seeing this as an opprotunity to evaluate Tesla further. I feel curbing and limiting federal regulaions will strictly benefit a handful of companies:

1. TSLA:Autonomous driving will be huge beneficiary of this SCOTUS decision
   • New Tesla model roll out. Tesla is the quickest to market in vehicle design and production. Getting past regulations or the ability to challenge unnecessary regulation will be key in futrue production
   • Tesla and Boring company: The Las Vegas Tesla Loop. You can only build underground road with EV's.
2. NVDA: Vehicles will become moving computers like our phones. They will need faster chips
3. GOOG: What applies to tesla applies to google in the world of autonomous driving
4. AMZN/AAPL and Meta: Deregulating will allow AI to move further along and at a very dangerous pace. These companies are in position to cash in.

 

[rbstern]

Supreme Court Ends ‘Chevron Deference,’ Enhancing Challenges to Regulations​

The decision, announced on Friday, may have broad implications for retailers.

www.convenience.org

"The decision will make it easier for anyone to challenge a federal regulation and win. NACS has ongoing cases challenging federal and state vehicle technology mandates as well as newly invented regulatory interpretations of labor rules. All of these challenges face improved prospects following the Supreme Court’s decision."

Im seeing this as an opprotunity to evaluate Tesla further. I feel curbing and limiting federal regulaions will strictly benefit a handful of companies:

1. TSLA:Autonomous driving will be huge beneficiary of this SCOTUS decision
   • New Tesla model roll out. Tesla is the quickest to market in vehicle design and production. Getting past regulations or the ability to challenge unnecessary regulation will be key in futrue production
   • Tesla and Boring company: The Las Vegas Tesla Loop. You can only build underground road with EV's.
2. NVDA: Vehicles will become moving computers like our phones. They will need faster chips
3. GOOG: What applies to tesla applies to google in the world of autonomous driving
4. AMZN/AAPL and Meta: Deregulating will allow AI to move further along and at a very dangerous pace. These companies are in position to cash in.

Your enthusiasm may be justified, but I think it's really hard to draw a even a modestly straight line to any one company's valuation, based on the Loper Bright decision. With the possible exceptions of small business fishing operations (like Loper) and law firms, who will undoubtedly see a windfall from the amount of reinvigorated litigation.

Court cases are like billiard shots: So many things can go wrong from the time you line up the shot, to the time the last ball stops rolling. There is going to be a long adjustment period in terms of unwinding some of the regs, and there will be cross-industry, cross-agency, and cross-judicial district shock waves.

I'd trust a Ouija board before taking even a skilled analyst's view in terms of what might happen in a given industry from the fallout of this. The unanticipated consequences could just as easily be lower barriers to entry and increased competition for any of the above companies.