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terror aboard frontier flight as loaded gun magazine found near seat as it prepared to depart ATL
- Thread starter GodBlessTheUSA
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This brave Federal agent left his magazine in a plane and didn't notice. He disrupted the schedule of the world's busiest airport, caused a bunch of people to miss flights, be late to their destinations, and face a bunch of extra intrusive security.
Who wants to bet he gets a firm "don't do that again" talk?
Who wants to bet he gets a firm "don't do that again" talk?
How are you surprised that a random person, likely not familiar with guns, trained to be afraid of too much water in a bottle and nail clippers in airports for the last 20 years would be scared ****less finding a loaded gun magazine in what's supposed to be one of the safest places on earth (the floor of an airplane)? Just forget that the airplanes on 9/11 were taken over with box cutters and knives?
Federal agents are supposed to be professionals and are expected to conduct reasonable and responsible weapon and ammunition handling. The TSA has a 90% failure rate at catching dangerous items. You would have to be a complete dumbass to just assume it's an agent's magazine.
Instead of trying to shame people, I would suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror. You have zero survival skills if finding a loaded magazine in a place it shouldn't exist doesn't start ringing alarm bells for you.
Anyone but a full retard would think, "where is the gun that goes with this magazine and who has it?" But not you. You just assume it's Johnny laws. Never go full retard.
Federal agents are supposed to be professionals and are expected to conduct reasonable and responsible weapon and ammunition handling. The TSA has a 90% failure rate at catching dangerous items. You would have to be a complete dumbass to just assume it's an agent's magazine.
Instead of trying to shame people, I would suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror. You have zero survival skills if finding a loaded magazine in a place it shouldn't exist doesn't start ringing alarm bells for you.
Anyone but a full retard would think, "where is the gun that goes with this magazine and who has it?" But not you. You just assume it's Johnny laws. Never go full retard.
I can make fire with a bow drill so I know I've got more than zero survival skills.
Personally, I might think "Dang! There's an empty gun on this plane because I've got the magazine right here."
And, after this escapade we're all more likely to think "some air Marshall left his crap on the plane again."
This is one of the things I love about the ODT:
Someone comes along and pontificates about everyone else's mentality, intelligence, survival skills, situational awareness, etc....
But DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE!!!
So, I IR2A , I'll quote the original article again:
"According to Frontier, the ammunition and magazine, marked with the initials “K H,” “belonged to a law enforcement officer who was on an earlier flight on the same aircraft.” "
It was the Airline (if Frontier can be called such) that stated the loaded magazine belonged to "Johnny Law".
But thank you for posting.
You be hit with a blivit........
I wouldn't dare do a poll about this, but think of how you might answer this:
If you saw a loaded magazine (that was compatible with a handgun you owned) during a U.S. flight, would you simply tuck it into your carry on and use it yourself after you got home under the 'finders-keepers, losers-weepers' rule?
If you saw a loaded magazine (that was compatible with a handgun you owned) during a U.S. flight, would you simply tuck it into your carry on and use it yourself after you got home under the 'finders-keepers, losers-weepers' rule?
The article is the entire point. You judged people who didn't know what was going on or what happened in the moment, while you already know the entire outcome. They didn't know the magazine belonged to a federal agent. They just got taken off the flight (probably in an oh **** hurry way) after finding a fully loaded magazine with KH (killer hank for all they knew) and sat there quarantined wondering what was going on for hours. You aren't viewing it from their perspective in the moment and then trying to ridicule them for being afraid. Instead of listening, you jumped to defend yourself and doubled down on being wrong. Be better.
1. Who is this aimed at? Who doubled down on being wrong?
2. The airline believed they knew who the magazine belonged to and implicated a law enforcement officer. Ergo, looking at the initials and the boarding list, don't you think they made that assumption by knowing what law enforcement officer was on the previous flight????
3. Yes, people freaking out about a pistol magazine is beyond the pale to me, personally. Would I report it and hand it over? Yes. Would I expect to have to deplane and the aircraft be searched? Not really. Would I assume it's a nefarious plot, especially after the airline checked their manifests / boarding lists and could associate the magazine with a known LE officer? Heck NO.
4. Lastly, see point 2 again. The airline associated the magazine with a law enforcement officer
who was on the prior flight. No ridicule to the airlines. But lots of pointing out the ridiculousness of everyone freaking out about a pistol magazine AFTER THE AIRLINE ASSOCIATES THE MAGAZINE TO A LE OFFICER. (was the yelling clear?)
EDIT: I just re-read I IR2A 's comment. I'm willing to admit when I err....
You ( I IR2A ) were speaking of looking in hindsight.
I must agree that most people would spaz when finding anything firearms related on an airplane (unfortunately).
In retrospect, as a passenger: find a loaded magazine - tell the flight crew. Deboard. Aircraft inspected. Airline checks manifest, assumes LE on prior flight left magazine. Re-board.
What happens to said LE officer?? We'll never know.
Do I (personally) think any nefarious person(s) would ever stash a loaded magazine in one location, and any other gun parts in another? NO. Especially if said loaded magazine could be easily found by anyone else, or dropped on the floor. Too many variables that would affect a "take over" situation.
But, in hindsight, can I accept that any average person would "freak out " or "spaz" on finding a loaded magazine? Unfortunately, yes.
Sorry for being rude in my earlier posts. That was basically my only point, that an average person in the moment would naturally freak out. I don't think anyone on this forum would be upset to be honest. But we are familiar and comfortable with guns and magazines. Most people aren't. And we have trained people to be one breath away from panic at the airport since 9/11.
