The “Better than Nothing” Factor.

[thorn]

Without citation, that data means nothing. From where was it collected? Sample size? When? How was the data dollected?

That looks like a table that's the same or very similar to data collected over a decade of research. The 9mm is slightly skewed because the source data used military reports using 124grain FMJ; the .40 data is slightly skewed because it was impacted by police shootings with accuracy of about 25%.

My takeaway from that study was no matter what caliber, factor on three hits to stop.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

 

[thorn]

OP: My recommendations would be to explore the Ruger 380 Lcp or LCP2. Avoid the Kel tec P380, my experience with that model was trash.

In 32, I found the Kel Tec p32 perfectly fine. Tiny little gun with a very small print profile,light weight, reliable.
The Beretta Tomcat in 32 is a solid little gun with a good grip and easy slide to action. The grip, while comfy, is a bit thick and the pistol is a little heavy for a pocket gun, but it might suit overall.

 

[BamaFan]

M&P 380 EZ is big enough to tame the recoil, & small enough to conceal on a belt. Approximately the same size as a Shield 9 with the 8 rd magazine installed, & the recoil of a .22.

My mom couldn’t work the slide on any 9mm, so we went & shot the EZ, and she did great with it. It was built for aging/weaker hands.

This or a Glock 42. I love mine and shoot it more accurately than any Glock I own. My P365 isn't much larger but it's just enough more weight that the 42 still wins out a lot, especially in the summer months. Easy to pocket carry or holster/belly band carry.

 

[CTS Tactical]

That looks like a table that's the same or very similar to data collected over a decade of research. The 9mm is slightly skewed because the source data used military reports using 124grain FMJ; the .40 data is slightly skewed because it was impacted by police shootings with accuracy of about 25%.

My takeaway from that study was no matter what caliber, factor on three hits to stop.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

I posted a video that explains all of the data and why the author thinks some of it may be skewed in one direction or another. For example, there was not that much data about shootings with a 44 magnum etc. It is a very informative video.

 

[Mrs_Esterhouse]

.380 with literally less than half the energy of .357 is equally effective?

Yep, I guess hogs with a 380 will be the same as a 357mag.

 

[CTS Tactical]

Yep, I guess hogs with a 380 will be the same as a 357mag.

Well, if you cannot bother to read the info or watch the video then the chart is pretty useless. It is about stopping a threat, not about hunting hogs. Humans are nowhere near as tough as hogs.

 

[lostchild]

OP: My recommendations would be to explore the Ruger 380 Lcp or LCP2. Avoid the Kel tec P380, my experience with that model was trash.

In 32, I found the Kel Tec p32 perfectly fine. Tiny little gun with a very small print profile,light weight, reliable.
The Beretta Tomcat in 32 is a solid little gun with a good grip and easy slide to action. The grip, while comfy, is a bit thick and the pistol is a little heavy for a pocket gun, but it might suit overall.

Regardless of my other carry, my little P32 is always with me. Like it so much I sold my Milford Seecamp and three other .32s.

 

[GeauxLSU]

Did you read the article posted or watch the video?

I read the completely nonsensical and irrelevant forward by Mr. McHale. I don't see a video.

 

[CTS Tactical]

 

[thorn]

The video is based on this original article. As to the comment about 380 vs 357: the article is about STOPPING the threat, a human, not KILLING the threat. Psychological stops are a real thing.

The article really is worth reading. (The video is pretty much the same, but sometimes seeing an original published piece has greater impact).

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

Important note for those who don't want or care enough to read: The article doesn't endorse one caliber over another. It provides quantitative data based on a decade of gathering intel. At the end of the day, every caliber required more than one hit, on average, to effectively stop combat.