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The mystery: 870 vs. 870 express??

Here's the actual differencees between the Wingmaster, the Express, and the Police guns:

The Express is Remington's "budget" gun, made to compete with the cheaper to make Winchester and Mossberg guns.

The Wingmaster is Remington’s "Cadillac" top-of-the-line sporting gun.

The Police is a Wingmaster with a dull finish and is a much more carefully inspected and built gun.

The new "Tactical" and Marine Magnum guns are based on the Express.

How Remington lowered the Express price was to reduce hand labor to a bare minimum, and to eliminate much of the polishing and de-burring the better quality Wingmaster and Police guns get.

The Express is basically the same forged and milled steel receiver and heavy-duty internals gun the better 870's are, just in a rougher, less well finished form with plastic and MIM parts.
The Express is just as strong and durable as the top of the line guns, and will last for about the same 250,000 rounds OR MORE the "better" guns will last just in a less well finished form.

The Express Model has:
A plastic trigger group.
The dimples in the mag tube and the new style plastic magazine retention system, EXCEPT on the extended magazine versions, which do NOT have the dimples.
A rougher finish inside and outside, with machine marks and some burrs left.
A rougher, bead blasted blue job.
A less polished bore.
A two piece sleeved barrel. (not 100% sure about this)
Hardwood or synthetic stock, with a sporting-length fore end and pressed-in checkering.
The Defense version has 18", Cylinder bore barrel, with a bead sight.
The Marine Magnum and Tactical models have plated or polymer finishes.
Some Metal Injection Molded (MIM) parts, like the extractor.

The Wingmaster has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Wingmaster gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing.
A fine, commercial polished blue finish.
A polished bore.
A chrome plated bolt.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut stocks with the famous "Bowling Pin" finish in gloss or satin, and better checkering.
Wide choices in barrel lengths and choke options.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.
The Wingmaster is the full top-of-the-line commercial Remington pump gun, and is priced accordingly.

The 870 Police has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Police gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing and is built in a special area of the plant from 100% inspected parts.
A military-grade parkerized finish.
A polished bore.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut or synthetic stock, with a short police-length fore end.
The Remington “R3” super recoil pad that reduces felt recoil by 30%.
Choices in different stocks, including Speed-feed, and others.
18" to 20" improved cylinder barrel, with a wide choice in sights, including rifle, ghost ring, and luminous.
Police options like magazine extenders, forearms with built-in lights, and sling swivels.
Heavy-duty magazine spring.
Heavy-duty trigger-sear spring.
Heavy-duty shell lifter spring.
Sling swivel mounts.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.

The Express is a "bottom of the line" budget gun, the Wingmaster is a "top of the line" sporting gun, the Police is the top-of-the-line in defense guns.
The 870's are generally considered to be the finest quality pump gun made.
 
Basically the 870 Express is the workhorse 'f150 XL' in the line up with rubber mat,
vinyl seats, black grille and dog dish hubcaps.
Meanwhile the 870 Wingmaster equals the f150 XLT Lariat w/leather, chrome, carpet,
dual power everything, and music.
Hope this helps although I don't see how it could

edit: looks like sharpshooter beat me to it.
I like your explanation a lot better.
 
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Basically the 870 Express is the workhorse 'f150 XL' in the line up with rubber mat,
vinyl seats, black grille and dog dish hubcaps.
Meanwhile the 870 Wingmaster equals the f150 XLT Lariat w/leather, chrome, carpet,
dual power everything, and music.
Hope this helps although I don't see how it could

edit: looks like sharpshooter beat me to it.
I like your explanation a lot better.


In fairness that's not my explanation. I copy/pasted that from an old post @ the firing line.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270214
 
Here's the actual differencees between the Wingmaster, the Express, and the Police guns:

The Express is Remington's "budget" gun, made to compete with the cheaper to make Winchester and Mossberg guns.

The Wingmaster is Remington’s "Cadillac" top-of-the-line sporting gun.

The Police is a Wingmaster with a dull finish and is a much more carefully inspected and built gun.

The new "Tactical" and Marine Magnum guns are based on the Express.

How Remington lowered the Express price was to reduce hand labor to a bare minimum, and to eliminate much of the polishing and de-burring the better quality Wingmaster and Police guns get.

The Express is basically the same forged and milled steel receiver and heavy-duty internals gun the better 870's are, just in a rougher, less well finished form with plastic and MIM parts.
The Express is just as strong and durable as the top of the line guns, and will last for about the same 250,000 rounds OR MORE the "better" guns will last just in a less well finished form.

The Express Model has:
A plastic trigger group.
The dimples in the mag tube and the new style plastic magazine retention system, EXCEPT on the extended magazine versions, which do NOT have the dimples.
A rougher finish inside and outside, with machine marks and some burrs left.
A rougher, bead blasted blue job.
A less polished bore.
A two piece sleeved barrel. (not 100% sure about this)
Hardwood or synthetic stock, with a sporting-length fore end and pressed-in checkering.
The Defense version has 18", Cylinder bore barrel, with a bead sight.
The Marine Magnum and Tactical models have plated or polymer finishes.
Some Metal Injection Molded (MIM) parts, like the extractor.

The Wingmaster has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Wingmaster gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing.
A fine, commercial polished blue finish.
A polished bore.
A chrome plated bolt.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut stocks with the famous "Bowling Pin" finish in gloss or satin, and better checkering.
Wide choices in barrel lengths and choke options.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.
The Wingmaster is the full top-of-the-line commercial Remington pump gun, and is priced accordingly.

The 870 Police has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Police gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing and is built in a special area of the plant from 100% inspected parts.
A military-grade parkerized finish.
A polished bore.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut or synthetic stock, with a short police-length fore end.
The Remington “R3” super recoil pad that reduces felt recoil by 30%.
Choices in different stocks, including Speed-feed, and others.
18" to 20" improved cylinder barrel, with a wide choice in sights, including rifle, ghost ring, and luminous.
Police options like magazine extenders, forearms with built-in lights, and sling swivels.
Heavy-duty magazine spring.
Heavy-duty trigger-sear spring.
Heavy-duty shell lifter spring.
Sling swivel mounts.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.

The Express is a "bottom of the line" budget gun, the Wingmaster is a "top of the line" sporting gun, the Police is the top-of-the-line in defense guns.
The 870's are generally considered to be the finest quality pump gun made.
Thanks bro.
 
If you can find an older version Wingmaster in good condition buy it the older Wingmasters have much smoother actions I have one I bought 30 yrs ago & it's still my favorite bird gun
 
NWS summed up the differences in 870s pretty well. To simplify it even further the only 4 differences that actually make any difference in reliability between an express and a police magnum are that the 870p has a polished chamber to improve feeding (not polished as in shiny, polished as in they take some steel wool to it), a steel extractor, a stiffer dog carrier follower spring (from an 1187, supposed to improve feeding reliability), and in the standard 4 shot magazine, the 870p has a longer magazine spring (all factory extended tube models have the same spring, but an upgrade is available from Wilson combat). If you have an express you can polish your own chamber and then order the 870p extractor, carrier spring, and a stiffer magazine spring and you'll have all the reliability upgrades of an 870p. Of course adding the 870p parts doesn't make an express the same as a real 870p since the 870p has a nicer fit and finish, but the above upgrades will cost you about $30.00 to give you the same level of reliability as the 870p and will provide a little piece of mind about your express. And honestly, as much to-do as people like to make about the mim vs steel extractor I can't find an example of anyone who ever broke either. I'd personally be more worried about the ejector (which I have seen an example of breakage), which is pinned to the receiver and replacing it is a major repair (vs the Mossberg where you can simply bolt in a new ejector), but that an argument for a Remington vs Mossberg discussion.

Another kink in the cog is the model 81191 express tactical. Technically part of the "express" line, this 870 has an 18" cyl bore barrel, no magazine dimples, factory magazine extension, parkerized finish, plastic trigger guard, and MIM extractor. It comes with a pistol grip and the tactical forend. It is basically an in-between from the express to the police magnum. It is marked simply "Remington 870" on the side. You can find these for around $350.00 on sale from time to time. Swap the extractor and carrier dog follower spring with police magnum parts (available from midway and brownells) and swap the pistol grip for a plastic stock (pick up an 870 stock from ODT, ebay, or a number of other forums) and your in business. I actually prefer the plastic trigger guards personally because (to my knowledge, anyway) nobody has ever broke one and they show less finish wear. You can polish the chamber for free with some steel wool on a dowel rod and an electric drill. Check out http://www.aiptactical.com for a ton of info on 870s. The owner JD posts on severl forums. FWIW most of the guns he builds start life as express models before getting the AIP treatment.
 
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