Time to trade in your 1911s?

[RamRoddoc]

The 1911 in the G.I. version with 230 grain FMJ has proven itself, more than once. With the introduction of hollow point ammo (Geneva convention no no) the feed ramp/browning link had its shortcomings. In mil spec form a combat accurate gun is had but more is better, right? To tighten groups, tolerances were reduced and with tighter tolerances, so was reduced reliability.

I would (have/still) carry a 1911 with 230 grain ball and have a latitude of flexibility and not feel poorly armed with a handgun. However, I carry 9mm not from a capacity or performance advantage as my 9mm really has none (Kahr CW 9mm). What it does offer is concealment and comfort, both critical issues to me in carrying everywhere legal.

I do maintain a G36 in the POV, JHP's in the tube/mag and spare with FMJ.

 

[04 rocko taco]

I pose these questions.

To everyone saying these were used in 2 world wars etc. Do you think if (insert polymer pistol) would have been around that those would have been better suited to that role then? If the answer is yes then why are you still carrying a 1911?

TO me this is like saying that because somehting new exists, you should just throw out all of the old stuff that still works. I understrand ourt generation has become that way a bit, but just because there are new polymer guns that exist and function, should I get rid of my old 1911 that still works, if it doesnt have a problem?

Should I also likewise get rid of my bolt action rifles because a newer semi auto rifle exists?
Also I should ditch my gasoline vehicles because a newer hybrid exists?

Oh, my rifles and truck still function fine so no need to ditch them you say?
Funny how that works isnt it?

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Well, I might as well jump into this forum with both feet...I have been shooting 1911's since the late 60's and have examples from Armscor (Philippines) up to Ruger, Kimber and STI and from the semi-customs (Ed Brown, Nighthawk, Les Baer and Wilson Combat). I also own more polymer framed Glocks and Kahrs than I want to think about as well as a smattering of Sigs, S&W, Springfield and Rugers that are more modern than the 1911. I keep a Glock in my cars as an additional "if it's needed gun" but they are there for one reason.

God forbid that my car gets broken into and a Glock gets stolen but I would just be losing a cheap, plastic, ugly weapon without a soul. I have, do and will continue to carry a 1911 (currently an Ed Brown Kobra Carry LW). I trust my life to that pistol and even though it has some road rash after the years and doesn't look new anymore, it has never failed me and I usually go thru 100 to 150 rounds per week. I do maintain my pistols however (even the ugly ones...) and I don't trust my life to ANYTHING until it has passed a 500 round, failure free, break in period with duty ammo.

Having said that, the LAST failure I had with one of mine was a Glock 19 that blew the magazine out the bottom of the grip and ruptured the case head in the unsupported area of the chamber. That one stung my hand a bit when it blew....And before you ask, it was factory self defense ammo from the late 90's that shot just fine in my Belgium Browning.

All this adds up to nothing. Carry what you are comfortable with, shoot well, is reliable and that you WILL CARRY and not leave at home. This debate is no different than the 9mm vs .45 ACP, Ford vs Chevy, Republican vs Democrat debates. Each side is passionate about their views and rarely change to the other side.

Carry on....

 

[titan2k10]

Ill just step out of this conversation since no one will answer my question directly.

Would you give our boys a 1911 or a , hell ill even name a model, glock 21 if it was wwi wwII? I have YET to get a direct answer to that question.

 

[SIGnificant]

All this adds up to nothing. Carry what you are comfortable with, shoot well, is reliable and that you WILL CARRY and not leave at home. This debate is no different than the 9mm vs .45 ACP, Ford vs Chevy, Republican vs Democrat debates. Each side is passionate about their views and rarely change to the other side.

Carry on....

Well said GH. Most miss this very important point.

 

[NGIB]

Ill just step out of this conversation since no one will answer my question directly.

Would you give our boys a 1911 or a , hell ill even name a model, glock 21 if it was wwi wwII? I have YET to get a direct answer to that question.

The Marines directly answered your question recently. They chose the 1911 as the pistol for MEU-SOC. They could have chosen any polymer wonder - they didn't...

 

[titan2k10]

The Marines directly answered your question recently. They chose the 1911 as the pistol for MEU-SOC. They could have chosen any polymer wonder - they didn't...

Yeah the marines went with a $5000 Colt 1911. Please tell me that makes sense......They wanted something in 45 instead of 9mm and already had the tools and a good bit of knowledge to service them on hand.

Also, have you heard about the Joint Combat Pistol program. Quite a few companies spent thousands of hours of manpower and millions of dollars researching and developing new concepts until the program was cancelled in 2006. Don't you think that the politicians in DC would have egg on their face if they were to start this multi million dollar process up again simply after cancelling it a few years ago?

I can't stand SIGs but the P227 would have been a better option but no they went with a $5000+ dollar 1911. Please where is the common sense here? Are you really trying to say that there is a $3500+ benefit to having a Colt 1911 over a P227 which is more reliable, is chambered in 45 acp (God's caliber of choice like everyone thinks), and would have cost much much less.

The Marines did not directly answer my question and you thinking that there is no underhanded shady people saving face shenanigans going on in regards to government contracts just showed me that you would rather stick your fingers in your ears and sing "la la la la" to try to prove a point that is extremely unstable and to make yourself feel better.

 

[NGIB]

Obviously, the Marines, in fact the entire DoD should consult with you before buying anything. I posted a fact and you responded with YOUR opinions and conspiracy theories. No more needs to be said here...

 

[titan2k10]

Obviously, the Marines, in fact the entire DoD should consult with you before buying anything. I posted a fact and you responded with YOUR opinions and conspiracy theories. No more needs to be said here...

You're right. The Marines are totally justified in spending over $5000 per colt 1911 which during testing exhibited cracks after 12,000 rounds.

You're also condoning the expenditure with your statement. I guess at this point you have no leg to stand on criticizing any of our governments spending.

You're talking about opinions I'm talking about facts.

If going with a single stack 45 why not go ahead and step up to a 10mm as well?

 

[Jled]

Ill just step out of this conversation since no one will answer my question directly.

Would you give our boys a 1911 or a , hell ill even name a model, glock 21 if it was wwi wwII? I have YET to get a direct answer to that question.

I'll bite, from a purely hypothetical perspective....if I could fight world war 2 with any pistol, it would be a glock or a sig in 9mm - with the provision I could use hollow points. If I had to use FMJ I would pick .45 acp every time. The post I made yesterday explained in great detail how the military stipulates certain features in their pistols....and not many models offer anything better than the 1911 in .45 acp.

So yes, in pure fantasy you win your argument. But when you put some context from reality in there it doesn't hold up as well.