UPDATE 10/3 - Injunction covers all FPC members - ATF publishes their pistol brace rule

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Thankfully the number of sellouts who registered for the free Biden SBR was very low.

ATF Says a Quarter Million Guns Registered Under Pistol-Brace Ban​

ATF Says a Quarter Million Guns Registered Under Pistol-Brace Ban

Only a fraction of the guns affected by the ATF’s new rule were registered with the agency during the four-month grace period that ended this week.

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$50mil in taxes they missed out on.

 

[BIKER13]

$50mil in taxes they missed out on.

Joe can print mo money

 

[Bagman]

 

[nitrousfedlx]

I wondering if the bootlicking laydowners feel proud to be part of the .6%

 

[batoncolle]

I wondering if the bootlicking laydowners feel proud to be part of the .6%

Well fortunately those folks are irrelevant now.

We currently have millions of SBRs that aren't "registered" and in common use. It's time to remove SBRs from the NFA so we can move on to suppressors and eventually strike that entire Unconstitutional abomination down.

 

[nitrousfedlx]

Well fortunately those folks are irrelevant now.

We currently have millions of SBRs that aren't "registered" and in common use. It's time to remove SBRs from the NFA so we can move on to suppressors and eventually strike that entire Unconstitutional abomination down.

That would be great if that were to happen! I need a good .22 can but haven't messed with nfa stuff since Obamas 41f act.

 

[spencer60]

I'd love to see the NFA go away completely, but that's probably a bridge too far, especially for machine guns.

Suppressors might be a stretch as well, since they are only used to assassinate people, right? I think there will be a lot more education needed before that comes to pass.

This brace rule has definitely made SBRs/SBSs come to the front though, and we do have a chance there.

The fact that they were included in NFA 'by mistake' is simply one point in our favor ("Forgotten Weapons" video has a great explanation). You can argue they are less 'deadly' than a (non-NFA) similar rifle because the shorter barrel means a lower velocity and by definition, less energy on target.

It's also easily proven that a non-NFA pistol in the same caliber is far more concealable than a stocked gun of any kind. I remember Ted Cruz had a nice comparison graphic he used in one presentation.

Of course that's all logic and we're talking politics. We would need a overwhelming majority in both chambers of Congress and a pro-gun POTUS. A lot of GOPers would balk at the 'optics' of removing these from NFA and giving their opponents ammo for the next election cycle.

It is possible though. The Forgotten Weapons video talks about Congress amending the original NFA to allow 16" rimfire guns to be exempted, so it's happened before.

It's also possible that the courts may address some parts of it, although I think the ban on registering post-1986 machine guns is the most likely to fall there.

Unlike the other categories, that is a straight-out ban of guns in 'common use' for 'lawful purposes'. It completely fails Heller and Bruen. It just needs someone with deep pockets and some good lawyers to challenge it.

 

[300_whisper]

If SBRs and Cans ever came off the NFA that is a win in my book.

 

[nitrousfedlx]

I'd love to see the NFA go away completely, but that's probably a bridge too far, especially for machine guns.

Suppressors might be a stretch as well, since they are only used to assassinate people, right? I think there will be a lot more education needed before that comes to pass.

This brace rule has definitely made SBRs/SBSs come to the front though, and we do have a chance there.

The fact that they were included in NFA 'by mistake' is simply one point in our favor ("Forgotten Weapons" video has a great explanation). You can argue they are less 'deadly' than a (non-NFA) similar rifle because the shorter barrel means a lower velocity and by definition, less energy on target.

It's also easily proven that a non-NFA pistol in the same caliber is far more concealable than a stocked gun of any kind. I remember Ted Cruz had a nice comparison graphic he used in one presentation.

Of course that's all logic and we're talking politics. We would need a overwhelming majority in both chambers of Congress and a pro-gun POTUS. A lot of GOPers would balk at the 'optics' of removing these from NFA and giving their opponents ammo for the next election cycle.

It is possible though. The Forgotten Weapons video talks about Congress amending the original NFA to allow 16" rimfire guns to be exempted, so it's happened before.

It's also possible that the courts may address some parts of it, although I think the ban on registering post-1986 machine guns is the most likely to fall there.

Unlike the other categories, that is a straight-out ban of guns in 'common use' for 'lawful purposes'. It completely fails Heller and Bruen. It just needs someone with deep pockets and some good lawyers to challenge it.

Yeah I seriously doubt we'll see the day where any judge would say yeah I'm good with automatic's simply going on a 4473. LOL. There's is a glimmer of possibility this may allow SBR's to be that way and maybe can's will follow but they tried that with H.R. 95 and hasn't went anywhere so far. We still have to wait and see what the final outcome is on the braces.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

I think you guys are underestimating the absolute brilliance and just authority of the ATF lawyer who wrote this rule. He's 100% right and will destroy you hooligans in court.