Video game rage....

[Sharpsburg]

Yet you do respond.
You suggest there is no harm in violent video games inciting anyone to do anything correct? That IS the entire basis for your disagreement correct? I asked if you felt the same about viewing (not the creation of) child porn. If a video game (which actually requires active participation in simulated violence) can't prompt action, then presumably you think it shouldn't be illegal to own and view child porn since no one is prompted to do anything illegal and there is no 'harm' in doing so, right?

No, I think the pictures you describe are illegal because it is the product of an illegal activity. I did not say the pictures do not cause harm. Of course they do. Children were harmed in the production of those pictures. The financial part of the business encourages more children to be harmed for future sales of the product. So yes, it is teribly harmful on many levels. However, the supreme court has previoulsy ruled that man-made renderings of such acts cannot be made illegal because they are fictional and did not involve actual children. Disgusting, but not illegal. So yes, I still fail to see what this has to do with your argument that violent video games are part of the cause of mass shootings.

I think viewing violent video games does not cause people to kill. That is my position. So are you saying that viewing the pictures you describe causes the viewers to go commit a subsequent crime? Are you saying viewing gay porn could make someone gay? I am truly lost with your analogy.

Maybe possessing and viewing snuff films is an easier analogy for you? You can't pick and choose what logic you use to suit your preconceived ideas.

Really? You dont see the actual reason snuff films are illegal? Killing people for a movie to sell? Okay. Moving on. But just as a reminder to the above point, fake snuff films exist and are legal and I put forth the position that they dont cause people to go out and kill. I have seen Natural born Killers and lots of other Hollywood movies filled with non-stop random thrill kills (make believe of course), and I have yet to kill a soul as a result. So have Billions of other people.

You cant highlight illegal content that is illegal because of the ACTUAL harm being carried out in that content and try to compare it to cartoons shooting other cartoons. Well, I guess you can (and did), but I still think your analogies to that content are way off target.

 

[Laufen]

Meanwhile, back at the race track.........

 

[captdave77]

Associating competitive frustration with mass murder cheapens the act of murder. Throwing a controller is akin to Bo Jackson breaking his bat after a strikeout. The one thing I would say Bo doesn't know is murder.

Why do the mentally ill gravitate toward these kind of games? Are they acting out a fantasy? Maybe, but I think it is more of an escape. You can be someone else for a moment. A weak, pasty, cellar dweller can be Tom Brady or a super spy for a few hours. We love books and movies for the same reason. For a couple of hours you can get wrapped up in a story and forget about your life.

 

[GeauxLSU]

No, I think the pictures you describe are illegal because it is the product of an illegal activity. I did not say the pictures do not cause harm. Of course they do. Children were harmed in the production of those pictures. The financial part of the business encourages more children to be harmed for future sales of the product. So yes, it is teribly harmful on many levels. However, the supreme court has previoulsy ruled that man-made renderings of such acts cannot be made illegal because they are fictional and did not involve actual children. Disgusting, but not illegal. So yes, I still fail to see what this has to do with your argument that violent video games are part of the cause of mass shootings.

I think viewing violent video games does not cause people to kill. That is my position. So are you saying that viewing the pictures you describe causes the viewers to go commit a subsequent crime? Are you saying viewing gay porn could make someone gay? I am truly lost with your analogy.




Really? You dont see the actual reason snuff films are illegal? Killing people for a movie to sell? Okay. Moving on. But just as a reminder to the above point, fake snuff films exist and are legal and I put forth the position that they dont cause people to go out and kill. I have seen Natural born Killers and lots of other Hollywood movies filled with non-stop random thrill kills (make believe of course), and I have yet to kill a soul as a result. So have Billions of other people.

You cant highlight illegal content that is illegal because of the ACTUAL harm being carried out in that content and try to compare it to cartoons shooting other cartoons. Well, I guess you can (and did), but I still think your analogies to that content are way off target.

Seriously? I think every time I mentioned it I said the VIEWING of not the creation of as there is clear harm and reasoning for child porn and snuff films to be illegal yet you still drug it down that bunny trail anyway?
Do you or do you not think VIEWING child porn by an unstable mind helps desensitize that mind to the violence it is and help facilitate the move from fantasy to reality or do you think VIEWING child porn is completely harmless?
Do you or do you not think VIEWING a snuff film by an unstable mind helps desensitize that mind to the violence it is and help facilitate the move from fantasy to reality or do you think VIEWING snuff films is completely harmless?
Do you or do you not think VIEWING and playing violent video games that simulate mass murder as the GOAL of the game by soneone with an unstable mind helps desnsitize that mind to the violence it is and help facilitate the move from fantasty to reality or do you think it is completely harmless?

 

[GeauxLSU]

Why do the mentally ill gravitate toward these kind of games? Are they acting out a fantasy? Maybe, but I think it is more of an escape. You can be someone else for a moment. A weak, pasty, cellar dweller can be Tom Brady or a super spy for a few hours. We love books and movies for the same reason. For a couple of hours you can get wrapped up in a story and forget about your life.

NOW we're getting somewhere. Do you also think that it possibly gives that 'weak, pasty, cellar dweller' the confidence it needs to go play the "game" for real?

 

[Laufen]

Associating competitive frustration with mass murder cheapens the act of murder. Throwing a controller is akin to Bo Jackson breaking his bat after a strikeout. The one thing I would say Bo doesn't know is murder.

Why do the mentally ill gravitate toward these kind of games? Are they acting out a fantasy? Maybe, but I think it is more of an escape. You can be someone else for a moment. A weak, pasty, cellar dweller can be Tom Brady or a super spy for a few hours. We love books and movies for the same reason. For a couple of hours you can get wrapped up in a story and forget about your life.

I think you may have also misunderstood the point. The point was, there are many manifestations of violence that may be a result of violent video games, mass shootings are one, and harmless cursing and breaking household items are another with many levels in between. No one was attempting to equate the two.

 

[Laufen]

NOW we're getting somewhere. Do you also think that it possibly gives that 'weak, pasty, cellar dweller' the confidence it needs to go play the "game" for real?

Maybe the kind of confidence that you can get via a pump up song before running onto the field before the game.

 

[GeauxLSU]

And your link is better than my link? I think not.

If you don't read it, then I guess no, it's not.

 

[captdave77]

I think you may have also misunderstood the point. The point was, there are many manifestations of violence that may be a result of violent video games, mass shootings are one, and harmless cursing and breaking household items are another with many levels in between. No one was attempting to equate the two.

Mass murder is not a result of losing a game.

 

[GeauxLSU]

Seeing you and hgunhunter on the same side is making me misty-eyed.

We're buds from way back.
I'm sure we few each other as blind squirrels in this particular conversation.