WA police academy bans Sig Sauer after reports it could fire by itself

[cmshoot]

According to what I`m reading in this thread, the common denominator is that they went off "in a holster", being worn on a person. Have none of them fired in a vehicle, not holstered on the person. Have any fired laying on a nightstand? While loaded in a safe or any other location? If they are all firing while in a holster and a person was wearing the holster, I suspect the trigger finger was involved.

On video, there are multiple instances of an officer with their P320 strapped into a holster. They aren't holstering it; it's already in the holster, snapped in, and has been in the holster for (in some instances) several hours. On the video, the P320 discharges, while still strapped in the holster.

 

[ReservoirDawg10]

According to what I`m reading in this thread, the common denominator is that they went off "in a holster", being worn on a person. Have none of them fired in a vehicle, not holstered on the person. Have any fired laying on a nightstand? While loaded in a safe or any other location? If they are all firing while in a holster and a person was wearing the holster, I suspect the trigger finger was involved.

How have you fit your trigger finger into your holster with the gun?

I get it, you're trying to be cute, but you clearly aren't paying attention.

There is zero excuse for a firearm discharging when in a holster. Zero.

 

[yellowhammer]

On video, there are multiple instances of an officer with their P320 strapped into a holster. They aren't holstering it; it's already in the holster, snapped in, and has been in the holster for (in some instances) several hours. On the video, the P320 discharges, while still strapped in the holster.

OK. I can believe that.

 

[Shotgun Surgery]

I saw someone do an in-depth review of some of the lawsuits that Sig was bragging about winning when it comes to this. Exactly 0 of them were won by somehow proving the guns didn't or couldn't fire on their own. All of them were won by some crazy legal rule that stated expert testimony must be backed up with "scientific testing", which in this case means you'd need to get hundreds of sig p320 pistols together and conduct some kind of mass-testing (which would be logistically and financially impossible for an individual person to do to win their case).

This guy examined the prosecution's cases against sig and they all essentially proved it was tolerance stacking of the parts in Sig P320 pistols that allow the guns to discharge without pulling the trigger. I don't remember what Sig's "fix" was exactly, but the fix ammounted to admitting that their seers can, in fact, release without the trigger being pulled and essentially just doubled-up on the same flawed concept (so it's technically possible for the guns to discharge without the trigger being pulled, it's just less likely than it was before).

This shouldn't be surprising considering that the internal parts are contracted out to the absolute lowest bidders possible, which includes essentially Indian sweat-shop labor.

The designs Sig Sauer puts out now adays is half-baked garbage. Their "QC" is a joke. Their guns can and often do rust like a Freedom Group 870. There's 0 reason to get a Sig when you could get a Glock or HK.

 

[yellowhammer]

How have you fit your trigger finger into your holster with the gun?

I get it, you're trying to be cute, but you clearly aren't paying attention.

There is zero excuse for a firearm discharging when in a holster. Zero.

Nope, too old to be cute. I agree with you. If I see a video that shows a pistol firing with no hand on the weapon, in a holster, and I KNOW there is no photo shop,(fake video) I would go along with the weapon being defective. If I worked in a PD and an officer had a pistol fire in the holster, and it was on department video, I would believe it. The internet is full of fake videos.

How have you fit your trigger finger into your holster with the gun?

I get it, you're trying to be cute, but you clearly aren't paying attention.

There is zero excuse for a firearm discharging when in a holster. Zero.

 

[jeepnuts]

There are too many videos of 320's just going off. Even just sitting in a holster.

And there are sooooo many comparable options on the market. I like Sig. Always have. But the 320 is a dumpster fire.

Ok I haven’t seen a video of one going off IN a holster. I admit I am potentially wrong about this particular incident.

 

[Wile E. Coyote 5.0]

How do the depts choose what weapons they're going to issue? Sig, Glock... Is it based on deals offered by the manufacturer?

 

[cmshoot]

How do the depts choose what weapons they're going to issue? Sig, Glock... Is it based on deals offered by the manufacturer?

In same cases it is.

Usually, an agency will test multiple firearms that fit the criteria of what they are looking for. Hopefully they’ll pick the one that performed the best, best cost is almost always a factor.

 

[letusbuyyourcar]

Where there's smoke, there's fire. We are not seeing the frequency of incidents with other manufacturers that we are seeing with the SIG P320.

I don't understand why police agencies would spend more money on inferior pistols when Glock pretty much whores their guns out at crazy low prices.
I'm a poor and have never owned any Sig model but if I was going to it would have to be one of the older metal guns like the P226. But I am definitely NOT tacticool.
Some agencies just have a hard on against Glock. The Bibb Co S.O. stuck with Smith Sigma pistols for a LONG time. And everyone knows how bad they sucked. I don't know what they issue these days but I hope they at least went with the M&P series guns. And I'm not a Glock fanboy at all. But what works just works and there's no denying that.

 

[letusbuyyourcar]

In same cases it is.

Usually, an agency will test multiple firearms that fit the criteria of what they are looking for. Hopefully they’ll pick the one that performed the best, best cost is almost always a factor.

Back in the 90s Bibb Co had a sheriff that was a real fudd asshole named Robbie Johnson and he just flat refused to go with Glock no matter how good the deals were . Seriously I was surprised he left his deputies carry semi auto pistols and not old Smith model 10 revolvers.