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[Patronus]

A flash-bang goes off BOOM! You are now blind and deaf. As you vision restores the gas hits you and your eyes tear up, then snot pours from your nose. Your lungs are burning and you cough like crazy.

From this disadvantage your plan is what exactly? Do you need a phone booth to change into Superman?

Exactly what were you a captain of? A French unit? All I hear from you is run, run, run. Nothing personal but every post you make about this is pure defeatist and surrender. I don't think anyone is talking Rambo crap here. At least I'm not. But I find it actually offensive that here, on a pro-gun, poro-2nd, pro-personal responsibility site, the only things you can say are to advocate running for your life and taking no action at all to try to deal with the guy.

Tear gas: Been there done that. Guess what, tear gas doesn't cut off your balls. And if you pop into a theater(they are moderately large rooms) and pop a tear gas canister it won't INSTANTLY fill the room. If it goes off right next to you you are certain to get a good blast of it but 10 feet away you will have to wait for it to get to you. Twenty feet away and you will maybe get a bit weepy.

Flash bang: never been hit with one have been surprised both in military training and unexpected situations. Reactions vary and always will but I have never failed to think FLOOR! whenever something happened. I probably would again. From the nice gooey floor of a theater I am sure I would have a second, maybe two to assess and think. I do know that if I survived long enough to get to the floor, my hand would be on my gun.

Would I take the guy out? Would I get myself killed? Would I wet my pant? All good questions. Whatever answers I found, I can tell you, running scared is the ONE response that I couldn't stand to live with. Better to take one of his bullets in the head.

 

[chucklenut]

Exactly what were you a captain of? A French unit? All I hear from you is run, run, run. Nothing personal but every post you make about this is pure defeatist and surrender. I don't think anyone is talking Rambo crap here. At least I'm not. But I find it actually offensive that here, on a pro-gun, poro-2nd, pro-personal responsibility site, the only things you can say are to advocate running for your life and taking no action at all to try to deal with the guy.

Tear gas: Been there done that. Guess what, tear gas doesn't cut off your balls. And if you pop into a theater(they are moderately large rooms) and pop a tear gas canister it won't INSTANTLY fill the room. If it goes off right next to you you are certain to get a good blast of it but 10 feet away you will have to wait for it to get to you. Twenty feet away and you will maybe get a bit weepy.

Flash bang: never been hit with one have been surprised both in military training and unexpected situations. Reactions vary and always will but I have never failed to think FLOOR! whenever something happened. I probably would again. From the nice gooey floor of a theater I am sure I would have a second, maybe two to assess and think. I do know that if I survived long enough to get to the floor, my hand would be on my gun.

Would I take the guy out? Would I get myself killed? Would I wet my pant? All good questions. Whatever answers I found, I can tell you, running scared is the ONE response that I couldn't stand to live with. Better to take one of his bullets in the head.

lol

i approve and endorse this message 100%

and to further credit this view-point, i would like to quote the lyrical genius that is cypress hill

"cause i aint going out like a spineless jellyfish"

 

[Spartan07]

Exactly what were you a captain of? A French unit? All I hear from you is run, run, run. Nothing personal but every post you make about this is pure defeatist and surrender. I don't think anyone is talking Rambo crap here. At least I'm not. But I find it actually offensive that here, on a pro-gun, poro-2nd, pro-personal responsibility site, the only things you can say are to advocate running for your life and taking no action at all to try to deal with the guy.

Tear gas: Been there done that. Guess what, tear gas doesn't cut off your balls. And if you pop into a theater(they are moderately large rooms) and pop a tear gas canister it won't INSTANTLY fill the room. If it goes off right next to you you are certain to get a good blast of it but 10 feet away you will have to wait for it to get to you. Twenty feet away and you will maybe get a bit weepy.

Flash bang: never been hit with one have been surprised both in military training and unexpected situations. Reactions vary and always will but I have never failed to think FLOOR! whenever something happened. I probably would again. From the nice gooey floor of a theater I am sure I would have a second, maybe two to assess and think. I do know that if I survived long enough to get to the floor, my hand would be on my gun.

Would I take the guy out? Would I get myself killed? Would I wet my pant? All good questions. Whatever answers I found, I can tell you, running scared is the ONE response that I couldn't stand to live with. Better to take one of his bullets in the head.

excellent post sir.

 

[Spartan07]

lol

i approve and endorse this message 100%

and to further credit this view-point, i would like to quote the lyrical genius that is cypress hill

"cause i aint going out like a spineless jellyfish"

"self-defense turns to the offense."

 

[chucklenut]

"self-defense turns to the offense."

"id blow spots like waco texas"

-wu tang

 

[Kyzrsoze]

With the crowd, the tear gas, chaos - too many variables. I can tell you that I would first be looking for a clear shot. Failing that I'd be close to the ground and looking for a way to flank him. Absent a clear shot I'd do my best to hit him like a linebacker (knife in hand of course). I might die in the process, but I'd rather go that way than shot in the back trying get out the door.

 

[lilred06]

I've been thinking about this too..having a CCW definitely makes me feel more comfortable than having a pointy stick or a bright light, but I'm not sure if I can honestly say that I'd have any better luck than the unarmed people around me. You factor in (like has been said) tear gas, commotion/chaos/confusion, people screaming and running and already hearing shots fired, your adrenaline is going crazy probably to the point of almost making you sick. That day was SOMEBODY's day to go..I hate to say it like this but there MIGHT have been something to stop so many from being injured/killed, but nothing could have been done to save everyone.

 

[Patronus]

Everyone, Nope. You are so right about that but if you can stop him before he runs out of ammo and has to stop on his own you HAVE to figure you saved a life or at least a "casualty"

All this people running around stuff puzzles me too. Am I to understand that a guy with a weapon opens fire and people are going run back and forth, willy nilly between you and him? I would think that he would become a lonely figure in a fast growing circle of assholes and elbows. Again, I'm not trying to make anything sound easy or make it seem like this could ever be anything less than a nightmare but within 5 seconds of his initial shot(if not the CS cannister exploding) and he will be an island of calm in the middle of a mad footrace to be anywhere but there.

If he was wearing a gas mask, his face and most of his head was unarmored. If you are on the floor, there is the chance, however slight, that you may get a shot at his feet or ankles, which I would bet would be unarmored as well. But even without knowing that he was wearing any armor, you'd still have to TRY.

•The gunman slowly walked up and down the theater aisles, shooting at random people. There was no word of any motive.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/world_news&id=8743134

Again, Not trying to rambo anything up but if he had time for a liesurely stroll up and down the aisle, an armed MAN had time to try to save some lives. Actually I shouldn't say armed "Man". How about an armed person with some sense of duty and responsibility, with a dash of simple, basic human courage.

 

[gapoppy1315]

I didn't take the time to read all of the 6 pages of replies, but here is my thinking. IF I am in a theatre, I'm always with one or more of my Grandchildren. My first and only thought will be (and this is something we have all thought about in the past few days, and me every day, you all too probably) will be getting my Grandkids the Hell out of there safely, and once out, as far away from the danger as possible. Head shot, 2 to the body one to the head, all sounds great. My thought is, duty starts at the home. If the bastard follows me out the door, it's a different story. Another scenario that I often think about, is sitting in a restaurant, and a degenerate walks in and yells eveybody on the floor. Another matter entirely, at that point I start shooting and dont stop until I'm sure the threat is over. The super hero mentality goes out the door, when my family is involved.

 

[gapoppy1315]

When I go armed in public, it's not for the purpose of playing Captain America, and carrying the weight of the multitudes on my shoulders. It's to protect my loved ones and myself. In this State, that's an option we all have, and by embracing it, you don't accept the responsibility of keeping all those who prefer to bury their heads in the sand, safe. Callous? Of course. Realistic? Of course.