Ohhhhh man, I'm so jealous of that DW PMHC! I've wanted one for a long time now but you don't see many of those around anymore.
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Ammo problem I've never encountered before
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Ohhhhh man, I'm so jealous of that DW PMHC! I've wanted one for a long time now but you don't see many of those around anymore.
Indeed. I've never had a DW I didn't like. My biggest firearm trade regret was when I traded my Dan Wesson Guardian 9mm. I didn't realize at the time how much I really loved that gun. I've been trying to trade back into one for a while now with no luck.
So you base your personal opinion of the 1911 off 4" and a 3" Kimbers and a few budget 1911's...I figured this much. True commanders are 4.25" guns and the 1911 was never meant to have a 3" barrel. There are reliable 1911's out there that have 3" and 4" barrels but they normally require some tuning to get them to run right, and they require strict maintenance schedules. Most people don't know how or when to do regular maintenance...How many rounds are you supposed to go on 3" 1911's before you change the recoil spring? How about the 4" guns? How many rounds until you are supposed to change the mainsprings? Do you know how to properly tune a 1911's extractor?
There are exceptions to everything though. I carry an Officer size 1911(DW ECO) in the warmer months and a fullsize 1911 in the cooler months. I also know how to properly maintain them and keep them running right. If you want a gun that you can just pick up and shoot and never clean it, 1911's are not for you. That's not to say that some 1911's won't run dirty. I ran over 1,500 rounds through my Kimber TLE II before I cleaned it(I didn't even wipe it off or oil it). I was trying to see how long it would take to get it to choke, but my OCD kicked in and I ended up cleaning it before it did. My DW ECO has been reliable from day one and I have about 1,000 rounds through it now and I have only cleaned it once.
My Brother-in-law's old G26 had erratic ejection issues and would sometimes even eject brass to the left. I had a G19 that would eject brass directly into my forehead and it didn't like 147gr ammo. My old G30 would choke on 185gr ammo and had FTRTB issues. Does that mean that all Glocks are crap?
If you would like to meet me at the range some time and shoot some real 1911's() I'd be happy to let you shoot some of mine. We are fairly close to each other and I always like meeting fellow ODTers. Let me know man and maybe we could set up a meet and greet/range session. I've been wanting to check Georgia Gun Club out. Maybe we could set up a meet and greet there?
OK, first off, I'm basing my opinions off my experience with the 1911 which is normal folks. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different outcome. My experience with the 1911 has not been great at all, but that's just my honest opinion and I'm allowed that because this is
Now, 2001, the whole tuning right out of the box to make a 1911 "reliable" is one of the biggest problems I have with the 1911. If I'm spending $700-1000 on a pistol, that f***er better run right outta the box, at least in my mind it should. Sure, things happen, even to a Glock, but it just hasn't been my experience. I can buy a brand new Glock or M&P, take it to the range and put a few hundred rounds though one and it just works. I don't think I should have to take a brand new pistol to a 'smith to get "reliability tuning" when it's brand new. We all can admit that the chances of a new 1911 having issues right out of the box is much higher than the chances of a Glock having issues right outta the box.
Also, I like the 1911 pistol for what it is. It's pretty, its 'Merican, it's got prestige, and when tuned/built correctly, a great shooter that is usually more accurate than a Glock. However, IMO, the 1911 today just isn't a great self defense pistol. That's what is important to me. If you want to carry a 1911, Hey, by all means do it, just run a lot of ammo through it, buy all the Wilson Combat/Chip mags, and experiment with what ammo it prefers and don't be surprised it needs some tuning. I base my choice off my own personal experiences.
I think you should have taken your G30 and G19 to Glock and experienced the best customer service in the land. It's free!
I'm down to shoot some expensive 1911's but bet your ass I'll be shootin' my G23 as well!
I had this exact thing happen in my GI Expert about a week ago with a 230grain guardian gold. DON'T Shoot it as it could blow your barrel apart from the increase in pressure. My buddy said I should polish my feed ramp and stop using the slide release to load. I've never had any problems with it loading though. Call RIA maybe they'll help you out.
Best of luck,
Bacon
-edit- The mags I use are Chip 8 rounders
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I've owned 3 Glocks and 2 of them would jam with particular types of ammo. I'll stick with my S&W M&P9 and my old, worn Colt Gold Cup...
Not hatin' on Glock, but they aren't the end-all to reliablity as some would claim. I do love the simplicity of the design.
OK, first off, I'm basing my opinions off my experience with the 1911 which is normal folks. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different outcome. My experience with the 1911 has not been great at all, but that's just my honest opinion and I'm allowed that because this is
Now, 2001, the whole tuning right out of the box to make a 1911 "reliable" is one of the biggest problems I have with the 1911. If I'm spending $700-1000 on a pistol, that f***er better run right outta the box, at least in my mind it should. Sure, things happen, even to a Glock, but it just hasn't been my experience. I can buy a brand new Glock or M&P, take it to the range and put a few hundred rounds though one and it just works. I don't think I should have to take a brand new pistol to a 'smith to get "reliability tuning" when it's brand new. We all can admit that the chances of a new 1911 having issues right out of the box is much higher than the chances of a Glock having issues right outta the box.
Also, I like the 1911 pistol for what it is. It's pretty, its 'Merican, it's got prestige, and when tuned/built correctly, a great shooter that is usually more accurate than a Glock. However, IMO, the 1911 today just isn't a great self defense pistol. That's what is important to me. If you want to carry a 1911, Hey, by all means do it, just run a lot of ammo through it, buy all the Wilson Combat/Chip mags, and experiment with what ammo it prefers and don't be surprised it needs some tuning. I base my choice off my own personal experiences.
I think you should have taken your G30 and G19 to Glock and experienced the best customer service in the land. It's free!
I'm down to shoot some expensive 1911's but bet your ass I'll be shootin' my G23 as well!
Right on man. I agree with you; if you want to pick a gun up and shoot the hell out of it and not clean it then a Glock is a better choice. The problem is that when people who are like that buy a 1911 and expect the same thing out of it. Now don't get me wrong, I have 1911's that run reliably no matter how dirty they get, but I will agree that is more rare than a Glock that will run dirty.
The whole "I don't think I should have to tune a $700-1000 pistol out of the box", well, then maybe Glock is your thing. I've never had to tune a Glock right out of the box....I just drove to Smyrna so they could.
Bottom line is most people base their opinions off of the 1911 because of a few bad experiences that could have been a 5 minute fix. They just didn't know how to fix it or what to fix. It is not a gun for beginners and it is not a gun for people who won't take the time to really learn the platform and how everything works.
I never said I had expensive 1911's, I just said "real" 1911's. You know, ones that have been properly tuned properly and run reliably...If you have a .357sig Glock I'd love to shoot that too. I've been thinking about picking up a G32(please forgive me JMB
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Thanks!
I think if I remember correctly that they only produced this beast for like 3-4 years?
Its my only DW and will be pried from my cold dead hands likely.
Happened upon it used, the serial number is below 100 and its a sweet, sweet shooter, and a terribly large heavy ( like 57 ounces loaded) carry 1911.
Its strictly a range gun for me.
Dan Wesson put some thought into this model as they designed it to use the para P-14 magazines( available and cheap in price) and same for the grips.
so you don't run into the problems associated with many of the stacked magazine 1911's and trying to find magazines.
Dan Wesson is one of if not my favorite 1911, although I am a addict and card carrying member of the "1911 addiction clinic".
Every Dan Wesson I have ever owned has been a quality piece. For the money they can not be beat...I tried to beat the 1911 addiction once; I failed miserably. I just love the platform and I shoot it better than any other platform out there.
I'm going to be meeting a buddy down in McDonough probably next week. We are gonna go to the Army Navy store and shoot. I'd love to meet up and shoot that DW, and you are more than welcome to shoot anything that I bring.
