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An AR15 is an AR15 is an AR15 .................................
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In seriousness I've never handled an M&P, but I was under the impression they were solid for the price. Maybe this one was a fluke. But yeah, spend another $250 or so and get a Colt if you want to go solid but simple.
Yep, brand new.
I wouldn't say that they aren't good for the price. It just is what it is, that's the quality control and workmanship $450 buys you right now. Nothing wrong with buying cheap in my book, just know what you're getting.
Because you're not cool...
Some dude on M4C used to put out this chart of about 10 or so AR manufacturers with categories like staked castle nuts, shot peened bolt, etc. And some people would refer to 'the chart" as the gospel of the AR tiers which would result in some entertaining knock down drag out AR debate threads. And thus tier queers was born...
There are some real tools over there on M4C. FWIW, the owner of the site runs an online gun dealership which primarily deals in Colt, BCM and a couple of other "premium" brands. Everything else seems to not fare so well in the discussions there. Go figure. Spikes Tactical in particular gets much undeserved ridicule over there.
There is much bombastic regurgitation referring to "the list", Colt's supposedly iron gripped, sole possession of the uber oh-so-top-secret TDP and all that BS. On and on and on. All over a design that's sixty years old and has pretty much become a defacto open-source design.
Sure, you (sometimes) get what you pay for but there are are plenty of relatively inexpensive AR's out there that are just fine. For anybody. Even those who are "greater-than-thou operators".
As an aside, I've owned BCM, Colt, Spikes and PSA stuff. They all worked. The BCM examples I've had all had the nicest fit and finish, followed by Spikes, with PSA and Colt bringing up the rear. As always, YMMV.
Dang, I've not owned an M&P Sport II but I've handled and shot a couple. The ones I've seen were o.k. Looks like that may have been a "Monday or Friday" gun.
I don't particularly care for the 4140 barrel, the 1 in 9 twist (they should've stayed with the 1 in 8 like the original Sport) or the AR-15 profile bolt carrier. Other than that, I never thought there was anything wrong with them. I also happen to be a big fan of midlength gas systems on 16" rifles, which is another minus for the M&P Sport II. Then again, it's a $500 rifle.
Just Get one with a cool name 
Besides the cheaper barrel, BCG, Lower parts kit and shady assembly I'm sure it's a fine rifle.
Wow. I owned 4 different M&P15 's and never had those issues. They were all really tight fitting between the lowers and uppers. I only had the original 1/8 sport with no dust cover or forward assist and it shot real tight groups. The others were MOE's and a tactical. All were 1/8 twists with the MOE's having 4150 pencil barrels and the Tactical having a 4140 HBAR.
They all seemed to be really well built, but after seeing this it makes me wonder if the quality has fallen in the last couple of years. Hell, we even liked them over my DD and my buddy's Colt 6920 when we had them all at the range one day. The one thing I did do with all of them was to swap the stock BCG's over to NIB F/A ones, but other than optics that was it.
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