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Are you all supporting the NRA?

Reasons I am not a member of the treacherous NRA.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968
Passage of the Gun Control Act was initially prompted by the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy in 1963.[1] The President was shot and killed with a rifle purchased by mail-order from an ad in National Rifle Association (NRA) magazine American Rifleman.[2] Congressional hearings followed and a ban on mail-order gun sales was discussed, but no law was passed until 1968. At the hearings NRA Executive Vice-President Franklin Orth supported a ban on mail-order sales, stating, "We do not think that any sane American, who calls himself an American, can object to placing into this bill the instrument which killed the president of the United States."[3][4]

Precursors of the passage of the Gun Control Act were Senate Bill 1975 in 1963, "A Bill to Regulate the Interstate Shipment of Firearms," and Senate Bill 1592 in 1965, "A Bill to Amend the Federal Firearms Act of 1938." Both were introduced by Senator Thomas J. Dodd and met with fierce opposition on the floor but the bills also paved the way for the creation of the Gun Control Act of 1968.[5] [6]

The deaths of Martin Luther King Jr. in April 1968 and U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy in June 1968 renewed efforts to pass the bill.[3] On June 11, 1968, a tie vote in the House Judiciary Committee halted the bill's passage.[7] On reconsideration nine days later, the bill was passed by the committee. The Senate Judiciary Committee similarly brought the bill to a temporary halt, but as in the House, it was passed on reconsideration.(8) House Resolution 17735, known as the Gun Control Act, was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on October 22, 1968[9] banning mail order sales of rifles and shotguns and prohibiting most felons, drug users and people found mentally incompetent from buying guns.[10][11]


https://timeline.com/nra-machine-guns-1986-265cb939c77c
But in order to win votes among Democratic congressional votes, however, the NRA was forced to abandon an entire category of firearm: machine guns. According to the amendment, introduced at the last minute by New Jersey House Democrat William Hughes, any civilian possession of machine guns manufactured after May 19, 1986?—?of which there are still 193,000 in circulation today?—?could be prosecuted. Already existing machine guns would be closely tracked by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

The NRA played the sacrifice as virtually meaningless. “I remember very well having dinner…with Wayne LaPierre on the big victory after it passed the House,” said former NRA lobbyist Richard Feldman. “And we weren’t too concerned about the machine gun issue.” But the decision set a precedent, especially for a powerful lobby that increasingly prided itself on zero Second Amendment compromises.


https://www.nraila.org/articles/20171005/nras-wayne-lapierre-and-chris-cox-issue-joint-statement



I am a member of SAF (https://www.saf.org), FPC (https://www.firearmspolicy.org) and GCO (https://www.georgiacarry.org) none of which use certain gun categories or gun accessories as sacrificial bargaining chips. None of them pay their chief executive a $5-million dollar annual salary and provides them with a multi mullion dollar luxury jet.
 
Look at the GOA, Gun Owners of America. I joined after dropping my NRA membership. I left due to poor leadership at the top of the NRA and the organization appears more interested in protecting itself and the interests of the gun industry then the second amendment.

I have to admit I'm not a fan of GOA either. Pratt made the whole organization look foolish when he got roped into that stupid Borat scam. Not only that, they are very big on talk but almost never actually do anything beyond send amicus briefs for various court cases or letters to politicians.

They have no influence on Capitol Hill, which is what we desperately need right now. That was something the NRA was very good at, no matter what the naysayers like to claim. After all, no one wins every battle, and the NRA won a bunch for us over the decades.


We had a sunset on the Clinton gun ban, no confiscation or national daconian gun bans from 1994 until..... If there wasn't a unified voice for gun owners the Schumer's and Pelosi's would have taken the guns away decades ago. We have the 2 and Amendment, but it is the NRA that is the one who brings the cases to the courts. All these other gun rights groups are fine and good, but that NRA is the big dog in the fight. Read there bulletins, they are fighting for gun owners rights in all 50 states. Don't get me wrong, they are not perfect, but they are the biggest, strongest and most persuasive gun rights organization in the world. There are a lot of legislators that don't like they NRA, but they don't cross them because they know that the NRA can mobilize millions of voters when it comes to gun issues. Supporting the, NRA is just a form of insurance aimed at anti-gun forces.

I'd have to agree, with the exception that the big dog on the court side of things is the SAF, not the NRA. The NRA has done a lot of good work over the decades. We would be in a much, much worse position today if they have never existed.

Yes, it's frustrating and painful to watch a few greedy a-h0les destroy the oldest civil rights organization in the US. But that doesn't change the fact that as gun owners they represent us to Congress, and we desperately need them back on the job.
 
Unfortunately it's politics so there will always be compromise. Unless the SC hands down a decision that ALL gun laws are null and void, there will always be a back and forth in Congress.

Sometimes (like in 2013) the NRA could get away with a 'no compromise' position. In other cases (Clinton AWB) all they could do was try and mitigate a bad bill as best they could.

If you want to see how effective a 'no compromise' group is, look at GOA. They always say 'no compromise', but they are completely ignored on Capitol Hill and useless in situations like we are in now.
 
If you want to see how effective a 'no compromise' group is, look at GOA. They always say 'no compromise', but they are completely ignored on Capitol Hill and useless in situations like we are in now.
I don't know if GOA has really accomplished all that much compared to SAF, FPC and GCO, but at least they are not supporting gun bans like the NRA.
 
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