Arms trade treaty....

[dunkel]

The crazy thing in all of this is people believe the 2nd amendment and the Constitution grants them rights.
The 2nd amendment does not give anyone the right to keep and bear arms.

Semantics.

In practical terms, yes, the Constitution does grant the rights. If there wasn't a Second Amendment, we'd really be in some trouble, no matter what the Declaration of Independence has to say about inalienable rights granted by some "creator".

 

[Cobalt 60]

The crazy thing in all of this is people believe the 2nd amendment and the Constitution grants them rights.
The 2nd amendment does not give anyone the right to keep and bear arms.

The last time I pointed this out, I got attacked so viciously that I wound up with a three day vacation from ODT for retaliating. Watch your six......

 

[Cobalt 60]

Semantics.

In practical terms, yes, the Constitution does grant the rights. If there wasn't a Second Amendment, we'd really be in some trouble, no matter what the Declaration of Independence has to say about inalienable rights granted by some "creator".

I agree that we would be in trouble, but you are wrong about rights coming from the BOR. If that is so, then do people have a right to marry? Defend themselves? Procreate? None of those are in the BOR.

 

[Constitution Hour]

Semantics.

In practical terms, yes, the Constitution does grant the rights. If there wasn't a Second Amendment, we'd really be in some trouble, no matter what the Declaration of Independence has to say about inalienable rights granted by some "creator".

This IS the problem. You are wrong, and yet, as you pointed out, in actual application today, you are correct.

 

[Hasselhoss]

Semantics.

In practical terms, yes, the Constitution does grant the rights. If there wasn't a Second Amendment, we'd really be in some trouble, no matter what the Declaration of Independence has to say about inalienable rights granted by some "creator".

The 2A protects the right, it does not grant it.

 

[Constitution Hour]

The last time I pointed this out, I got attacked so viciously that I wound up with a three day vacation from ODT for retaliating. Watch your six......

Thanks, lol, I can take it.

 

[strider12]

The 2A protects the right, it does not grant it.

 

[FrogMan]

On second thought I need to trim my AR inventory soo. THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS AND BAN ANYTHING THAT STARTS WITH AN A AND ENDS WITH AN R. ALSO NO MORE HIGH CAP CLIPS only the standard size of 30.

 

[Cobalt 60]

Thanks, lol, I can take it.

Three days was rough - NEED THE FEED!!!!!

 

[dunkel]

I agree that we would be in trouble, but you are wrong about rights coming from the BOR. If that is so, then do people have a right to marry? Defend themselves? Procreate? None of those are in the BOR.

10th Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

That's the best I can do, probably, lol. If it's an issue and not specifically in the Constitution one way or the other, we have courts, the amendment process, legislation, etc etc etc.

Speaking to the specific issues you brought up, there is a court case which does name marriage as a civil right, I believe. And self defense is related to the 2nd Amendment in some cases, IIRC. Procreation, I don't know...