ATF being sued over approving legal machine guns

[Kaikias]

How many folks want one and how many are Class III select fire weapons are there, even if they could afford the horrific cost of one there are not enough to go around...... That is denial! Far too many support this cause. Even Michael Moore gave $25.

This is why some even go so far as to become dealers so they can have "demo guns" ...the whole system is outrageous.
On the bright side some seem to think even if we loose we win something, the whole discussion can be found on ar15.com starting around page 90

Do you see what you did there? If that argument stands firm, then that means a trust IS a person, and that means there is no NICS check required when an FFL transfers a firearm to a trustee of a trust. The determination that a trust is not a person, and therefore a trustee needs a NICS check is what started this. So if the inverse holds true (your arguement) throws the entire system into chaos and possibly opens the door to throwing out 922/NFA entirely.

The beauty of Nolo's argument is that if he wins...we get MG's via the trust route. If he looses, then he just invalidates half of the basis that 922/NFA is built on and the hard decision has to be made to throw the poorly worded law out. It is quite ingenious.

For your viewing- the "vote" that started all this

 

[Zeake]

It could possibly kill all ownership of machine guns if the wrong judge gets hold of it.. . .

 

[Kaikias]

It could possibly kill all ownership of machine guns if the wrong judge gets hold of it.. . .

What makes you think so? Or maybe better put how do you think they could?

 

[Zeake]

My pessimism . . .

 

[RamRoddoc]

It could possibly kill all ownership of machine guns if the wrong judge gets hold of it.. . .

The courts only interpret the law, they don't make the laws. If it's unconstitutional or too vague it will be struck down.

 

[jcountry]

The courts only interpret the law, they don't make the laws. If it's unconstitutional or too vague it will be struck down.

Not really.

The way the interstate commerce clause has been bastardized to include full nationalization of healthcare and rationalize the individual mandate of obamacare certainly doesn't show that the supreme will stand up for anything-no matter how incredibly unconstitutional it might be.

This thing will go nowhere. No way in hell that the '87 ban will be lifted.

 

[sovietak474u]

Not really.

The way the interstate commerce clause has been bastardized to include full nationalization of healthcare and rationalize the individual mandate of obamacare certainly doesn't show that the supreme will stand up for anything-no matter how incredibly unconstitutional it might be.

This thing will go nowhere. No way in hell that the '87 ban will be lifted.

That's what everyone said with legal weed. Now it's spreading like a brush fire. It will ALWAYS be in place unless someone like this man tries to strike it down. We have nothing to lose here but a lot to gain .

 

[No2sc2]

Not really.

The way the interstate commerce clause has been bastardized to include full nationalization of healthcare and rationalize the individual mandate of obamacare certainly doesn't show that the supreme will stand up for anything-no matter how incredibly unconstitutional it might be.

This thing will go nowhere. No way in hell that the '87 ban will be lifted.

Correct they won't lift the '86 ban but they wouldn't need to if we win. The reason why we are fighting because the law doesn't state an entity can't make a MG, only person can't make MG.

 

[mkdhotrod]

Correct they won't lift the '86 ban but they wouldn't need to if we win. The reason why we are fighting because the law doesn't state an entity can't make a MG, only person can't make MG.

So they will either have to amend the law with a new law, or the supreme court rules in our favor and is thrown out atogether. If it fails you better believe they are goin to trusts apart.

 

[mkdhotrod]

You know the atf get their balls stomped on this, theyll just stop people from using trusts. LLC/CORPS only.