**** Clyde's Armory!

[Bulldawg165]

Another thought, gun and ammo sellers are supposed to do some level of due diligence prior to selling to customers and here we have a customer that openly admits to a mental disorder that requires him to use a dog to determine whether or not he is under attack in a public place.

Should he be purchasing guns and ammo?

Isn't this what our side of the gun control debate has been saying? We don't need gun control. We need control of people with disorders who attempt to purchase guns and ammo.

This gentleman had a big four legged sign that screamed "Don't sell me ammo!" "I have surrendered my sense of judgment to this dog!"

Have we determined exactly what the dog was for? If it was to perform services such as opening doors, turning lights on/off, fetching items, etc. because the vet was disabled then I disagree with this post.

HOWEVER, if the purpose of this dog was STRICTLY to soothe him because he would freak out whenever he left the house then yeah I absolutely agree with you, this guy has no business buying firearms. He should get therapy on our (the taxpayers) dime until he is better, but for now he's mentally unstable.

 

[Laxguy59]

Have we determined exactly what the dog was for? If it was to perform services such as opening doors, turning lights on/off, fetching items, etc. because the vet was disabled then I disagree with this post.

HOWEVER, if the purpose of this dog was STRICTLY to soothe him because he would freak out whenever he left the house then yeah I absolutely agree with you, this guy has no business buying firearms. He should get therapy on our (the taxpayers) dime until he is better, but for now he's mentally unstable.

Your understanding of "Mentally unstable" is way off, most PTSD patients my GF works with simply have trouble sleeping and fear crowded locations. The worst thing they would do is run home or not leave home, it doesn't mean they are going to shoot someone.

 

[hseII]

and some people keep a lawyer on retainer...
I think of it like ALWAYS having car insurance instead of only getting it if I think I might have an accident.

^^^^^ ME TOO!! For instance, If a guy has ex wife(ves), he must keep one on speed dial

 

[sovietak474u]

So um do the people who work there NOT carry guns? Seems odd you have to have a "security" dog. How hard is it to shoot a dog during a robbery? Its not. Ive never been to clydes. While I understand where they are coming from I think its kinda crappy what they did. They could have just put their dog up. Then again he should have left when asked to leave. I wont spend my money some place that tells me to leave. Ive never been to clydes. Doubt ill ever go.

 

[hseII]

We ain't the **** in Europe we are in the United States Of America,where we use to have some rights and freedoms.**** Clyde

^^^^^ Rock On Biker. I wish I was there to **** Too

 

[Camohead]

Have we determined exactly what the dog was for? If it was to perform services such as opening doors, turning lights on/off, fetching items, etc. because the vet was disabled then I disagree with this post.

HOWEVER, if the purpose of this dog was STRICTLY to soothe him because he would freak out whenever he left the house then yeah I absolutely agree with you, this guy has no business buying firearms. He should get therapy on our (the taxpayers) dime until he is better, but for now he's mentally unstable.

If you watch the video the guy says he needs the dog because he's always afraid someone is going to sneak up behind him. Also to sooth his nerves, be his friend, etc... Nothing wrong with that. Great for him. But is he is that disturbed that he can't leave the dog for a few minutes while he goes inside to pick up a box of ammo, he probably doesn't need a box of ammo.

 

[Bulldawg165]

If you watch the video the guy says he needs the dog because he's always afraid someone is going to sneak up behind him. Also to sooth his nerves, be his friend, etc... Nothing wrong with that. Great for him. But is he is that disturbed that he can't leave the dog for a few minutes while he goes inside to pick up a box of ammo, he probably doesn't need a box of ammo.

Yep. I agree 100% with this.

 

[strider12]

So um do the people who work there NOT carry guns? Seems odd you have to have a "security" dog. How hard is it to shoot a dog during a robbery? Its not. Ive never been to clydes. While I understand where they are coming from I think its kinda crappy what they did. They could have just put their dog up. Then again he should have left when asked to leave. I wont spend my money some place that tells me to leave. Ive never been to clydes. Doubt ill ever go.

They are the typical gun store run by old guys with ****ty opinions about everything. And the young guys there follow suit and act ****ty as well. The place sucks donkey &^%$. They are just another reason to do business on the web.

 

[rugerceltics13]

So um do the people who work there NOT carry guns? Seems odd you have to have a "security" dog. How hard is it to shoot a dog during a robbery? Its not. Ive never been to clydes. While I understand where they are coming from I think its kinda crappy what they did. They could have just put their dog up. Then again he should have left when asked to leave. I wont spend my money some place that tells me to leave. Ive never been to clydes. Doubt ill ever go.

i've been in the store both as a customer and as a delivery man. and yep all the employees there carry on their hips. as for the owner, he's in and out throughout the day, the dog goes with him wherever he goes. it's not a dog for store security moreso than it's a dog that he keeps by his side

 

[hikingthehills]

I am writing regarding the situation that occurred at Clyde Armory on the afternoon of April 6th. It is tragic that so many people want to prejudge a situation before hearing the whole story. Hopefully, this letter will help set the record straight.

First, I am reluctant to make my military back ground public. I, like most Service Disabled Veterans, view sacrifice to the country as a privilege, not a license to seek publicity or special treatment. However, for the record I am a Service Disabled Veteran, (24 years of military service and three combat tours in Iraq). I provide this information simply for demonstrating that I fully understand and respect the needs of Service Disabled Veterans.

Clyde Armory is a firearm store and has been open to the public since late 2001. In February 2002, I brought on site a Doberman Pincher security dog, Kit. The dog’s sole purpose is to protect the employees and customers from any threat of robbery, theft or harm. She freely roams the entire facility and is the first layer of a multi-layer security system. Because of the products we sell, Clyde Armory takes security very seriously. Our Doberman does a great job of screening customers and sensing if something is not right. Since having Kit in the store, we have never had a violent incident in the facility.

Mid-afternoon on April 6th, Mr. Murray entered Clyde Armory with his service dog. He was in the store just a few minutes when I was alerted that there was another dog inside the store. I was immediately concerned that a confrontation could occur and might result in a fight. Though Kit is excellent with people (children included) dogs are by nature territorial, and I believed she would perceive another dog as a threat. Indeed, she did and Kit became agitated. I grabbed Kit’s collar and positioned myself between Kit and Mr. Murray with his dog. Fortunately Mr. Murray was very close to the exit door, and I asked him to exit the store with his dog. He immediately refused and raised his voice in a confrontational manner. His physical signals further agitated my Doberman. I asked Mr. Murray to leave on at least five occasions because of the escalating confrontation. He refused to follow my instructions, so I directed two of my employees to escort him and his dog outside. All the while, I was struggling to hold my Doberman, who was intently focused on his dog. Once Mr. Murray’s dog was safely outside, Kit ceased being agitated and returned to her normal friendly demeanor. My actions were solely to return my store to a safe environment where I could conduct my business. My intent was not to deny anyone access to my store.

The media review of this matter implies that I have violated the American with Disabilities Act by asking Mr. Murray to remove his dog from the store. The law specifically states, a service dog can be excluded from a facility if the dog causes a disruption in the conduct of the business. I invite you to review the law at http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm (Answer #11, COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT SERVICE ANIMALS IN PLACES OF BUSINESS). We are confident that we handled the situation as required under the ADA.

I would like to thank those Service Disabled Veterans who have sent us amazing emails of support. They fully understand that I acted correctly by attempting to de-escalate the situation and by preventing either dog or any customers from being hurt. I have attached a link below to one of the many Veterans emails in support of Clyde Armory.

Clyde Armory has always been committed to a safe, secure and friendly environment for all its customers, especially veterans, because I am one! I stand firm that we acted within our best understanding of the ADA law and in the best interests of our Company, our customer Mr. Murray and both dogs. A very different and much more positive outcome would have occurred if only Mr. Murray would have complied with my initial instructions.

Andrew