without, but i figure. I am going to put what i want on it anyway right? im putting Troy industries Flip up front and rear, and eventually a Leupold 1x4 AR scope on it
yes, i was skeptical about them at first. but after going to 3 different shops everyday this week and 400 finally being the one with what i was looking for, they have earned my business full time. unless i see something cheaper online, 400 is my new place to purchase. I highly recommend them to all!