Eliminating Georgia's weapons "license" - For God's sake people, do it!

[GeauxLSU]

I had a chance to read it and I tend to agree. And IIRC, didn't HB60 receive a few "repairs" last year and aren't a few slated for this year too?

It looks fine for the most part, but I don't see any issues being "bad" enough to warrant not going forward as it is authored. Might need to take it piecemeal anyway. Everyone said the world would fall apart after HB60 and it hasn't.

Yes some additional legislation aimed at clarifying HB60 went into effect Jan 1 I believe.
I completely agree. How can eliminating the disgusting license/permit be anything but a giant step in the right direction.

I'm still awaiting a response from Georgia Gun Owners.
That reminds me.... need to track down the NRA's official position.....

 

[alnen]

2) The fact it eliminates the indefensible and illogical disparity in the treatment of long guns and hand guns, restricts those non military 18-20 years olds from carrying loaded long guns JUST LIKE they are restricted from carrying handguns.

Everyone, PLEASE READ THE BILL. I'm absolutely astounded any gun owner would not support this. If you are waiting for PERFECT gun laws in Georgia, well....
Please help us all improve them whenever we can and help take this HUGE step forward!

I'm with GCO on this one. If anything, handguns should be treated like long guns for 18-20 year olds, not the other way around. Why can't they defend themselves with a more compact/convenient tool? Carrying a long gun everywhere is just not feasible for some. I'm not willing to make gains for myself while sacrificing the righs of others.

Don't worry though... GCO will come up with something much better and cleaner (at least before the committees get their hands on it). Maybe it will include constitutional carry, maybe it won't. There is a lot of talk about ending gun free zones this year, so I'd recommend waiting to see what gets put on the table. GCO seems slow and methodical sometimes, but that's the price to pay to make gains without giving things up.

 

[GeauxLSU]

I'm with GCO on this one. If anything, handguns should be treated like long guns for 18-20 year olds, not the other way around. Why can't they defend themselves with a more compact/convenient tool? Carrying a long gun everywhere is just not feasible for some. I'm not willing to make gains for myself while sacrificing the righs of others.

Don't worry though... GCO will come up with something much better and cleaner (at least before the committees get their hands on it). Maybe it will include constitutional carry, maybe it won't. There is a lot of talk about ending gun free zones this year, so I'd recommend waiting to see what gets put on the table. GCO seems slow and methodical sometimes, but that's the price to pay to make gains without giving things up.

It's 2016. What CC law has GCO passed or bill is even on the floor? The House operates in two year cycles. This is the second year. It would be 2017 before anything would even get introduced now and I'm unaware of anything in the queue.
GCO is a great organization (I'm a member) but their opinion is not gospel. It would be nice to have a united front on gun issues from all pro 2A organizations but the very reason they exist is because we do NOT have a united front (or else the NRA would be the only group that exists).
You HONESTLY feel that eliminating the GWL requirement for all Georgians is not worth eliminating a nonsensical disparity in long gun vs hand gun for 18-20 year olds?
Legislation is sausage making. Try and keep your mind on the end game or else you'll get turned off with the process and never get anywhere.

I'm sure the author didn't set out to "screw the three 8-20 years old in the state that feel compelled to open carry loaded long guns". I'll try and figure out the author's reasoning first hand, but right now there is ONE bill that will eliminate the unConstitutional GWL permission slip/tax on Georgia's citizens. It needs to pass and gun owners need to support it.

If you honestly believe eliminating the GWL is a bad idea as presented, obviously don't lobby for it but as a gun owner who is beyond disgusted with a "Republican controlled" Georgia's infringements on the 2A, I'd appreciate no gun owners working in opposition to eliminating the GWL (I understand there are some that thing a GWL is a good thing, so is government mandated training etc. They aren't helping.... at all!) Getting this introduced is a huge hurdle. Getting it to the floor will be a massive undertaking. Throwing out the infinitely better because it's not perfect is simply unwise and extremely short sighted.

 

[alnen]

It's 2016. What CC law has GCO passed or bill is even on the floor? The House operates in two year cycles. This is the second year. It would be 2017 before anything would even get introduced now and I'm unaware of anything in the queue.
GCO is a great organization (I'm a member) but their opinion is not gospel. It would be nice to have a united front on gun issues from all pro 2A organizations but the very reason they exist is because we do NOT have a united front (or else the NRA would be the only group that exists).
You HONESTLY feel that eliminating the GWL requirement for all Georgians is not worth eliminating a nonsensical disparity in long gun vs hand gun for 18-20 year olds?
Legislation is sausage making. Try and keep your mind on the end game or else you'll get turned off with the process and never get anywhere.

I'm sure the author didn't set out to "screw the three 8-20 years old in the state that feel compelled to open carry loaded long guns". I'll try and figure out the author's reasoning first hand, but right now there is ONE bill that will eliminate the unConstitutional GWL permission slip/tax on Georgia's citizens. It needs to pass and gun owners need to support it.

If you honestly believe eliminating the GWL is a bad idea as presented, obviously don't lobby for it but as a gun owner who is beyond disgusted with a "Republican controlled" Georgia's infringements on the 2A, I'd appreciate no gun owners working in opposition to eliminating the GWL (I understand there are some that thing a GWL is a good thing, so is government mandated training etc. They aren't helping.... at all!) Getting this introduced is a huge hurdle. Getting it to the floor will be a massive undertaking. Throwing out the infinitely better because it's not perfect is simply unwise and extremely short sighted.

You are incorrect about nothing being able to get passed until 2017. A bill could be introduced this session and become law as soon as it is signed or in July if it is but signed.

As far as what gco has gotten passed... we can thank them for our last few major gun laws. Hb60 (guns everywhere), hb826 (campus carry), sb308, etc etc. If you followed in 2014, you would have seen that the Senate cock blocked our gun bill by not bringing it up for vote. Gco pulled a rabbit out of the hat and coordinated with reps to change language in a bill the Senate already passed to include most of the gun bill that we all wanted. That would not have happened without gco.

Who are you quoting here?
"...screw the three 8-20 years old in the state that feel compelled to open carry loaded long guns". I may have missed that post. Anyway, no I'm not ok with changing the "nonsensical disparity" in the wrong direction.

I'm going to be patient about constitutional carry. We need to bite off a little piece at a time. We'll get there. We shouldn't jump the gun when it's also a set back to certain individuals. Strategically it's probably better to get to where we want to be concerning off limits locations, etc before we go for constitutional carry. I know it's hard to swallow, but that's the way it works at the gold dome. Gotta have a plan, which gco does.

 

[dondon48]

1. 105 (c) The following persons shall be prohibited by law from carrying a weapon or long gun:
   
   
2. 106 (1) Any person younger than 21 years of age unless he or she:
   
   
3. 107 (A) Is at least 18 years of age;
   
   
4. 108 (B) Has completed basic training in the armed forces of the United States; and
   
   
5. 109 (C) Is actively serving in the armed forces of the United States or has been honorably
   
   
6. 110 discharged from such service;

not very well written...to me that reads "any person younger than 21 years of age unless he or she is at least 18 years of age....typical gov't

 

[dondon48]

It's 2016. What CC law has GCO passed or bill is even on the floor? The House operates in two year cycles. This is the second year. It would be 2017 before anything would even get introduced now and I'm unaware of anything in the queue.
GCO is a great organization (I'm a member) but their opinion is not gospel. It would be nice to have a united front on gun issues from all pro 2A organizations but the very reason they exist is because we do NOT have a united front (or else the NRA would be the only group that exists).
You HONESTLY feel that eliminating the GWL requirement for all Georgians is not worth eliminating a nonsensical disparity in long gun vs hand gun for 18-20 year olds?
Legislation is sausage making. Try and keep your mind on the end game or else you'll get turned off with the process and never get anywhere.

I'm sure the author didn't set out to "screw the three 8-20 years old in the state that feel compelled to open carry loaded long guns". I'll try and figure out the author's reasoning first hand, but right now there is ONE bill that will eliminate the unConstitutional GWL permission slip/tax on Georgia's citizens. It needs to pass and gun owners need to support it.

If you honestly believe eliminating the GWL is a bad idea as presented, obviously don't lobby for it but as a gun owner who is beyond disgusted with a "Republican controlled" Georgia's infringements on the 2A, I'd appreciate no gun owners working in opposition to eliminating the GWL (I understand there are some that thing a GWL is a good thing, so is government mandated training etc. They aren't helping.... at all!) Getting this introduced is a huge hurdle. Getting it to the floor will be a massive undertaking. Throwing out the infinitely better because it's not perfect is simply unwise and extremely short sighted.

some gun owners don't seem to mind having the gov't infringe on their rights...common sense gun laws ya know...

 

[GeauxLSU]

You are incorrect about nothing being able to get passed until 2017. A bill could be introduced this session and become law as soon as it is signed or in July if it is but signed.

As far as what gco has gotten passed... we can thank them for our last few major gun laws. Hb60 (guns everywhere), hb826 (campus carry), sb308, etc etc. If you followed in 2014, you would have seen that the Senate **** blocked our gun bill by not bringing it up for vote. Gco pulled a rabbit out of the hat and coordinated with reps to change language in a bill the Senate already passed to include most of the gun bill that we all wanted. That would not have happened without gco.

Who are you quoting here?
"...screw the three 8-20 years old in the state that feel compelled to open carry loaded long guns". I may have missed that post. Anyway, no I'm not ok with changing the "nonsensical disparity" in the wrong direction.

I'm going to be patient about constitutional carry. We need to bite off a little piece at a time. We'll get there. We shouldn't jump the gun when it's also a set back to certain individuals. Strategically it's probably better to get to where we want to be concerning off limits locations, etc before we go for constitutional carry. I know it's hard to swallow, but that's the way it works at the gold dome. Gotta have a plan, which gco does.

Yes, almost anything is POSSIBLE, however it's not going to happen. There is a reason it's referred to as 2015-2016 Regular Session and not the 2016 Regular Session. Yes in theory a bill could be amended to include or exclude anything, but I assure you a new CC bill will never see the light of day in 2016.
I didn't ask what GCO has gotten passed, I specifically asked what CC bill/law they've gotten passed since you said they will introduce something better. Where is their bill? They have an opportunity every 2 years and to your point every year if they really want to. HB563 is what we have and it's a huge improvement.
My comment about the minuscule number of people it 'might' effect by eliminating the disparity in the law between long gun and handguns would have, was not quoting anyone, it was as if a hypothetical person was speaking.
To say I won't support the elimination of the GWL requirement for ALL Georgia residents because a non-military teenager won't be able to open carry a long gun in public (like anyone does) is akin to saying (more hypothetical quotes) "I can't support this bill to do away with restrictions on all NFA items and replacing them with only guns with barrels over 36" because I heard there's a guy in Kansas that has 36.1" goose gun so let's keep the status quo with suppressors, SBRs, etc..... "

Are you seriously saying that as outlined HB563 isn't a gain and a HUGE one for the 2A? It doesn't change nor stifle any desire about extending the places we can carry or any other desire by pro 2A residents. They are not related. This all are nothing mentality is an absolutely losing proposition. We are never going to get a "cover everything" bill. Take the ground we can gain at every chance, especially when it's huge ground, and keep pushing forward. I guess we should have never passed HB60 because it didn't eliminate the GWL requirement?

Right now there is one and only ONE bill that eliminates the unConstitutional GWL requirement. We need to seize it. Or we can wait and hope that somebody else does it for us.... one day.... on their schedule...... when hopefully the tide isn't further against us..... hopefully we'll be still be alive to see it.

I'm astounded any pro 2A person would object to getting this passed but that's what makes the world go around, I guess.

 

[GeauxLSU]

not very well written...to me that reads "any person younger than 21 years of age unless he or she is at least 18 years of age....typical gov't

There should be an "and" at the end of line 107. Legislation is very often horribly written. When you realize people are actually paid to specifically come up with the language it's that much more disturbing.

 

[GeauxLSU]

some gun owners don't seem to mind having the gov't infringe on their rights...common sense gun laws ya know...

It is incredibly frustrating. We all have our 'hot buttons' and the 2nd is surely one of mine. I'm just always amazed at how lackadaisical gun owners are about their rights or content they are to let others write the path for us. Then I look at the laws we have and realize, "cause and effect"....

 

[captdave77]

It is incredibly frustrating. We all have our 'hot buttons' and the 2nd is surely one of mine. I'm just always amazed at how lackadaisical gun owners are about their rights or content they are to let others write the path for us. Then I look at the laws we have and realize, "cause and effect"....

Wanting a properly worded piece of legislation is not being lackadaisical. Wanting anything labeled "constitutional carry" regardless of how it is worded or who is disenfranchises is imprudent.