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Jambo said:
Well, the next time you get a speeding ticket please tell the judge that the doppler effect is just a theory. We've been using that "theory" for search radars since the 1940s.

There is nothing in the Bible that disputes the easily observable fact that the stars are expanding away from us.
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The Doppler effect is not the same as red shift. Doppler is used in radar so it proven science. Where red shift is an effect invented by Humble to explain why the light of distant stars shifted to red. He said the more shift to red the further a star was.
The Bible mentions a third of the stars falling to the earth,
 
Ammo cash said:
The Doppler effect is not the same as red shift. Doppler is used in radar so it proven science. Where red shift is an effect invented by Humble to explain why the light of distant stars shifted to red. He said the more shift to red the further a star was.
The Bible mentions a third of the stars falling to the earth,
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Red shift (or blue shift) is simply Doppler applied to light waves. Light from a source moving away from the observer has a longer wavelength, so it is shifted toward red. The faster it moves away the more shifted it becomes. It has been duplicated through experimentation many times.

Hubble used observation to prove that stars are moving away from us, not to prove their distances.

A third of the stars falling to Earth is most likely a reference to the third of angels that rebelled. A single star 'falling to Earth' would end Earth.
 
Ammo cash said:
It’s a theory. Like the theory of gravity or the theory of evolution. So it has not been proven. Red shift is a theory that they used to interpret data from humble to come to that conclusion. But I don’t believe any of their theories, the wisdom of man is foolishness to god
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You are completely misunderstanding what theory means when we are talking about science.

A theory not only explains known facts; it also allows scientists to make predictions of what they should observe if a theory is true. Scientific theories are testable. New evidence should be compatible with a theory. If it isn't, the theory is refined or rejected. The longer the central elements of a theory hold—the more observations it predicts, the more tests it passes, the more facts it explains—the stronger the theory.
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A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be or that has been repeatedly tested and has corroborating evidence in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Where possible, theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment.[1][2] In circumstances not amenable to experimental testing, theories are evaluated through principles of abductive reasoning. Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge.

A scientific theory differs from a scientific fact or scientific law in that a theory seeks to explain "why" or "how", whereas a fact is a simple, basic observation and a law is an empirical description of a relationship between facts and/or other laws. For example, Newton's Law of Gravity is a mathematical equation that can be used to predict the attraction between bodies, but it is not a theory to explain how gravity works.[3] Stephen Jay Gould wrote that "...facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts."[4]

The meaning of the term scientific theory (often contracted to theory for brevity) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of theory.[5][note 1] In everyday speech, theory can imply an explanation that represents an unsubstantiated and speculative guess,[5] whereas in a scientific context it most often refers to an explanation that has already been tested and is widely accepted as valid.[1][2]
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Ammo cash said:
The Doppler effect is not the same as red shift. Doppler is used in radar so it proven science. Where red shift is an effect invented by Humble to explain why the light of distant stars shifted to red. He said the more shift to red the further a star was.
The Bible mentions a third of the stars falling to the earth,
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The Doppler effect and red shift both describe the same thing. So, if one is proven to you, then so is the other.

The Doppler effect is a general phenomenon that describes how waves change when a source moves relative to an observer. Redshift is a specific example of the Doppler effect that occurs when light from a distant object shifts toward red wavelengths
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Jambo said:
Red shift (or blue shift) is simply Doppler applied to light waves. Light from a source moving away from the observer has a longer wavelength, so it is shifted toward red. The faster it moves away the more shifted it becomes. It has been duplicated through experimentation many times.

Hubble used observation to prove that stars are moving away from us, not to prove their distances.

A third of the stars falling to Earth is most likely a reference to the third of angels that rebelled. A single star 'falling to Earth' would end Earth.
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Rev 6:13 and the stars of the heavens fell unto the earth, as a fig tree that casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14: and the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together and every mountain and island were moved out of there place.

Red shift is a shift in color to the observer to distant moving objects.
Doppler is the measurement of sound waves to determine motion.
red shift is a visual phenomenon where Doppler is calculated based on sound waves reactions. Which is not based on observations but measured in the sound waves
Meaning Doppler uses a know frequency with well established rates of measurement. Like using a radar gun. Where red shift is observed.
 
Ammo cash said:
Rev 6:13 and the stars of the heavens fell unto the earth, as a fig tree that casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14: and the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together and every mountain and island were moved out of there place.

Red shift is a shift in color to the observer to distant moving objects.
Doppler is the measurement of sound waves to determine motion.
red shift is a visual phenomenon where Doppler is calculated based on sound waves reactions. Which is not based on observations but measured in the sound waves
Meaning Doppler uses a know frequency with well established rates of measurement. Like using a radar gun. Where red shift is observed.
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Lol, you're sooooo close. Go snag me the scientific definition of light.

Also, the passage you quoted is from a vision John had regarding end times. This hasn't occurred, so I'm unsure how this applies. Can we stick to things the bible claims to have happened already? Mystical, trust me bro, future events aren't nearly as compelling to me.
 
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