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Forest fires by a Ted Nugent
- Thread starter Spikey
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yeah I'm done.Just one more thing to do................................
Actually, there is a flaw in your thinking about their numbers way back when. Deer are primarily browsers and old growth forests do not produce much browse at all. Only with timbering and agriculture did their food sources increase to the point they could sustain the current number of deer.
"In general, as much of the northern forest region matures, what is called natural succession occurs where long-lived species of trees like sugar maple slowly replace shorter lived species like aspen. Eventually, that forest closes its canopy into a tight shade and you end up with what I call the “park look”— heavily shaded, closed-in canopy with little or no growth on the forest floor. We’ve all walked through that type of forest. You can see that this is not an ideal situation for white-tailed deer; their green dinner table having been placed out of reach."
https://www.whitetailsunlimited.com/i/p/bk_forest.pdf
[QUOTE="tommyt654, post: 8772581, member: 28312"
If one doesn't have the intellect to see the correlation between the warming trends and expanded growth patterns of beetles over the yrs then they are doomed to see these situations happening,even here in Ga. the pine beetle population is growing and expanding,but they spray and deforrest areas that are subject to infestation with little use of fire as a inhibitor as there is no known correlation between the 2,smh[/QUOTE]
Ummmm.... where in GA?
If one doesn't have the intellect to see the correlation between the warming trends and expanded growth patterns of beetles over the yrs then they are doomed to see these situations happening,even here in Ga. the pine beetle population is growing and expanding,but they spray and deforrest areas that are subject to infestation with little use of fire as a inhibitor as there is no known correlation between the 2,smh[/QUOTE]
Ummmm.... where in GA?
NEED do some reading ref Wildlife Timber take some long walks in Mtns these days see what u find read some ALDO LEUPoulds books in these matters and Conservation big difference preservation & conservation Yes years ago was bad mgt practices farming and what not. Move forward the tree huggers have won out every time attempt cut Timber one of these groups Sierra Club Friends of the Forest etc file a lawsuit in Federal Court to stop the logging. AS Far as grouse go its the lack Timber cutting is the main reason they have all but disappeared In MTNS GA NC. If we still had alot Grouse I wouldn,t have drive 2000 miles North TO find decent numbers of them to hunt. The grouse populations started dropping In early 90s do to most logging had beening stopped on USFS lands in the Mtns enough said
Glad another fellar can see and has knowledge of what wildlife needs yes deer in Mtns have tough winters when we have mast failure like we have had this fall
OK, so if I understand all this correctly - Ted Nugent started the fires in California.
at the turn of the century or at least 40 years ago
He has a Stranglehold Baby.. You best get out of his way....
OK,So the mast failure could be explained by global warming trends accelerating spaital leaf growth vs acorn production.I'm not a botanist so don't really know.If the old growth forest you reference,much like the Bison and possibly deer were entirely mismanaged back in the late 1800's early1900's then what we have now are not really old growth forest but maybe middle aged.I do know that growth in the south rapidly bloomed in the mide 40'-50-60's ,just where do you think all that lumber came from? I have only deer hunted here in Ga maybe 50 times since 1st moving into ga in the early 60's from the Carolinas. Hunted primarily in Dekalb,Hall,Forsyth,Bartow,Cobb, and others and never failed to meet my quota in the 60's-70's never really hunted much past that,but have flyfished several of the pristine rivers in N. Ga. that are being preserved by not allowing runoff from bad mismanaged practices that usually happen after clear cutting and poor forest management,It is a 2 way st. and you have to reckon with both sides.But to blatantly say its the bad foresty practices that lead to anything othere than what an individual perceives for their personal benefit whether it be fishing,hunting,trapping is ludicrous.
The park look is just that state parks desgined mainly for camping,fishing,hiking,not primarily for hunting,plenty of private and wildlife management areas for that,so once again your incorrect
The park look is just that state parks desgined mainly for camping,fishing,hiking,not primarily for hunting,plenty of private and wildlife management areas for that,so once again your incorrect
