GOOD FIRST AR or CARBINE. Recommendations?

[sovietak474u]

Save up a few extra bucks for a Daniel Defense carbine. You'll end up with a top tier gun that is ready to go and will last you pretty much forever.

Call the guys at 400 Jewelry & Loan about them. They've got GREAT prices on them.. Think $1149 for a DD M4v1.

Heard nothing but good things about them. To me... you get what you pay for with EVERYTHING!

 

[sovietak474u]

CHECK THIS SMOKING DEAL OUT!!! $569.00 NIB!!

http://surplusammo.mybigcommerce.com/products/DPMS-Panther-5.56-NATO-Oracle%2d-New-in-Box.html

 

[sparked1]

pistol caliber carbines: pros- cheaper ammo, no need to stock another caliber, decent performance out of 16" barrels.
ket tec sub2000- 9mm performs close to .357 from pistol. .40s&w close to 44 special performance.
hipoint carbine- cheap, ugly, great reviews.

Rifles - go with 5.45x39, 5.56/.223, or 7.62x39
wasr ak47 or ak74 - cheap and fun
ar15- can be had <$700. accessories can add up fast.
Ruger mini 14/ mini 30 - despite what some say, they are fine rifles. less evil looking than ar15 or ak47

Good info - thanks. Pistol calibers sound good because 9mm is so common (and cheap) but what are the cons there? So are .223 and 5.56mm pretty much interchangeable? Those and the 7.62x39 seem to be the most reasonably priced at under $20/50rd. Which ammo is most the most commonly available at places like Walmart? I saw some .30 carbine boxes there but don't recall seeing any of the others you mentioned.

 

[sparked1]

There in Lawrenceville is Fast Firearms. They're good guys there. Go there and ask this same question. You will walk out with your new black rifle and a big smile on your face.
http://www.fastfirearms.com/223556.aspx

BTW, I recommend the Armalite M15 5.56mm. AR= Armalite. Gene Stoner (the man who invented the AR10, AR15) worked for Armalite. Anyone who knows ARs knows that Armalite was the original rifle. All the rest are just copies.....even Colt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner

I've talked to these guys before and they seem pretty nice. Reason I don't want to go into a shop just yet is because I'm likely going to walk out of there with SOMETHING and then later go DOH! for not doing some research first.

 

[sparked1]

Just look for a nice used AR. Many can be found for 600-700. It does not have to be anything fancy. Less crap on it the better. Less buttons to switch on and lighter weight! I like my bone stock fn/colt AR-15 more than I do my tricked out custom Ar with all the tactical crap on it.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Although I really want a carbine, nothing longer than an 18" barrel. I just want to be sure I know more about rifles so if something pops up on here I know what I'm looking at. I really want just a basic, LIGHT, rifle that is reliable. Doesn't have to go beyond that. The S&W AR15 sport is looking good right about now.

 

[thehaitian0341]

Build your own. del-ton.com / coldhandarms.com

 

[sovietak474u]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Although I really want a carbine, nothing longer than an 18" barrel. I just want to be sure I know more about rifles so if something pops up on here I know what I'm looking at. I really want just a basic, LIGHT, rifle that is reliable. Doesn't have to go beyond that. The S&W AR15 sport is looking good right about now.

A good carbine will do you just fine. Just be careful.. over time... you will see all this cool stuff that you can throw on it. My add-ons cost more than my stock rifle LOL.

 

[sparked1]

Save up a few extra bucks for a Daniel Defense carbine. You'll end up with a top tier gun that is ready to go and will last you pretty much forever.

Call the guys at 400 Jewelry & Loan about them. They've got GREAT prices on them.. Think $1149 for a DD M4v1.

I've paid much more for TVs and digital cameras that get used a couple of time a year, so I'm not opposed to buying quality. However, do you care to elaborate on what makes this one "better" than, say, a S&W AR15 or a Bushmaster AR15, which can be had for $600-$800? Is it like a Kimber to Ruger kind of thing? Just better build? Are they more reliable, less maintenance?

 

[Hunng]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Although I really want a carbine, nothing longer than an 18" barrel. I just want to be sure I know more about rifles so if something pops up on here I know what I'm looking at. I really want just a basic, LIGHT, rifle that is reliable. Doesn't have to go beyond that. The S&W AR15 sport is looking good right about now.

Its a decent entry level rifle..just make sure you pay attention and dont buy the fixed 10 round mag bullet button foolishness...lots of those california legal ones floating around.

As far as your .223/5.56 question...you can safely fire both 5.56 and .223 ammo thru a barrel chambered in 5.56...but its not recommended or a good idea to shoot 5.56 thru a barrel chambered in .223.

 

[sparked1]

Build your own. del-ton.com / coldhandarms.com

The problem with building is that I know I will end up getting carried away and next thing you know I'll have an $1800 assault rifle! Not that it would be a bad thing, but financially, not very smart right now! Anyhow, I think it would be fun. Any good primers (info) or "kits" I should be on the lookout for without getting into another price stratosphere?