HB 26 - Georgia Constitutional Carry Act of 2013

[musket]

Diciman, good points. But, if I walk into a store and see someone carrying, there's a very high probability he's been checked out. What is sad is that this discussion wouldn't be necessary if our justice system would just take thugs out of the equation.

 

[B. Byrd]

This is a 9 month old thread and the bill didn't pass.

 

[RamRoddoc]

This is a 9 month old thread and the bill didn't pass.

Hah, hah, hah even an old dog gets a bird once in a while.

The 2014 session will most likely see this resurface with the expected players introducing it and those deploring it.



The current Georgia carry laws enacted that gave us more places that carry was allowed with yet another concession in order to pass. Once again the stripping of a right once retained but tolerated with a bipartisan pen slash. It was once legal to carry open in Georgia if you were an honest citizen and legal to own a weapon. It's not now and to get caught without a state licensed permission and exercise a constitutional right you will be arrested and go to jail. I'm not happy with that nor should anyone who sincerely understands the intent and purpose of the right. We had no "real" issue with open carry before it was criminalized. It begs the question why then was that right removed. I know the answer but do the people that it impacts know?

Criminals thankfully are only a small niche of our society and of the gun owners represent only a very tiny portion of onwership. However we concede/conceded our rights for this criminal portion based not on fact but speculation, perception and ignorance. Any government once given the power to "regulate" a once held right-then it ceases to be one. Specifically in today terms if one can "regulate" a right then they control it. Is that bad? Perhaps if only good stewards that understand why the right exist then no, but then it wouldn't really matter would it? However in practice the reality is conditional to the climate and climate changes are natural. Encourage, promote and support responsible carry but NEVER dictate, demand and legislate approval for it.

We made laws to prevent criminals from committing crimes and they often don't achieve the desired response. So our answer is disarming the rest of society to protect them? Please explain with fact not feeling or speculation just how that works? I won't accept "better" "improved" and "common sense-when it's not" used like a cheap commercial on t.v. to secure an emotional response.

The citizens who carry are typically independent and law abiding. In fact they (the far majority) are very responsible. It is a fact that is ignored and actually lied about to encourage further stripping of the right. In the hands of the unscrupulous, ignorance is a powerful tool. Their are always exceptions and a hate to say two words "always and never" as I'm often wrong. However legislating law over the whole that removes rights due to actions of a few criminals in the name of public safety will never serve anyone but those who desire to control us.

I'm all for disbarring violent criminals from purchase, owning and carrying weapons. I support laws that make it so. I do not support laws that in truth only infringe the rights of the honest. Decades of criminology studies strongly support the second amendment for the honest (majority) society. In fact laws that restrict, prohibit, ban and criminalize are counterproductive to reducing crime. Despite this and ignoring it, the leadership moves forward with these "common sense" laws that in truth put the honest public at a measure of risk. They do not incur much liability of those short, narrow sighted decisions with few exceptions (Morse and Giron former Colorado senators) and until they do they will continue to torment us until a reckoning occurs (recall election Hudak-Colorado).

Supporting the honest citizen as a force multiplier, an asset, never a liability and honoring the second amendment for its intent will serve a free state well. Or not.

We are a society that is split. One group teaches and enforces learned helplessness. The other is independent and responsible for their safety as well as those around them. Our political decisions (voting and contacting reps) play an important role in which group we support.

 

[givejunkfree]

Well written, RamRoddoc. Constitutional Carry is the law. The law makers changed that and no one complained. It's so much harder to get bad laws removed than invoked. Let's keep up the pressure and maybe, just maybe, we can put things right.

 

[strider12]

Diciman, good points. But, if I walk into a store and see someone carrying, there's a very high probability he's been checked out. What is sad is that this discussion wouldn't be necessary if our justice system would just take thugs out of the equation.

NWS said it in another thread and i agree. I think anybody on the street should be able to carry. Yes, even convicted felons. If they can't be trusted with a legal firearm, when they can easily get an illegal one, why should they be trusted to walk among us.

Sounds like you have been reading Dick Metcalf and not Thomas Jefferson.

 

[Springfield 1911]

NWS said it in another thread and i agree. I think anybody on the street should be able to carry. Yes, even convicted felons. If they can't be trusted with a legal firearm, when they can easily get an illegal one, why should they be trusted to walk among us.

Sounds like you have been reading Dick Metcalf and not Thomas Jefferson.

Absolutely! Thinking that restricting felons from obtaining weapons is equal to the anti-gun people thinking that gun control will stop crime.

 

[mountainpass]

It was once legal to carry open in Georgia if you were an honest citizen and legal to own a weapon.

First I can't believe I'm posting in a thread about a dead bill.

Second in 1867 the legislature voted to amend the GA Constitution 2A and ratified it in 1868. That change allowed this: "but the General Assembly shall have power to prescribe the manner in which arms may be borne."
In 1910 the legislature voted to make a license a requirement to carry a gun in GA. It was racist in intent. Also the gun had to be at least partially exposed. Sometime in the eighties the law was changed to allow concealed carry.

Edit: Had the license date wrong

 

[strider12]

First I can't believe I'm posting in a thread about a dead bill.

Second in 1867 the legislature voted to amend the GA Constitution 2A and ratified it in 1868. That change allowed this: "but the General Assembly shall have power to prescribe the manner in which arms may be borne."
In 1913 the legislature voted to make a license a requirement to carry a gun in GA. It was racist in intent. Also the gun had to be at least partially exposed. Sometime in the eighties the law was changed to allow concealed carry.

1867-8: The beginning of the Reconstruction Acts (The beginning of the end)

1913: The federal Reserve Act (Pretty much the end of freedom)

Probably a coincidence but pretty funny nonetheless.

 

[mountainpass]

1867-8: The beginning of the Reconstruction Acts (The beginning of the end)

1913: The federal Reserve Act (Pretty much the end of freedom)

Probably a coincidence but pretty funny nonetheless.

Well just double checked and the license came to be in 1910, sorry for the confusion.

 

[quikstang347]

I know this is an older thread but sitting here bored, I found myself reading it. I have to agree that I do wish Ga would revisit HB26. As a CCL holder myself I believe that you shouldn't have to pay the state to be able to exercise your Born rights to the 2nd amendment. It wouldn't affect most of us on here being we have CCL's but I am sure it would reduce the crime rate. Would a "thug" as called earlier be as eager to rob or break in some ones house or hell even cause harm not knowing if someone was carrying. What about the 60 year old lady that they are stalking to steal her purse , hopefully they would have to rethink because they don't know if granny is packing. Arizona has passed this bill in there state and the crime went down. Considering Deaths by handgun in the nation is like only 4% of total deaths. Again I am just sitting here bored and thinking out loud. This is the first I have heard of this and would like to find more info out on it . As for keeping convicted felons away from carrying , **** they have more firepower than we do. I am sure there are ups and downs to this situation, I just have to process them , hope I didn't bore anyone Curious to see what happens with this bill in 2014