Mtdawg. I appreciate that this has been a more constructive conversation and not as argumentative as others you and I have had in reference to Frog Lube.
I have already stated I'm no chemist and for the record I'm no armor either.
I am also aware that you are competent and knowledgable about AR15's. more so than me. I suspect you have also served.
I have put many thousands of rounds through M16's, while I was in the Army in the 80's. In both the 1st 75th Rangers and the 82nd Airborne. 11B Infantry. I was also on the Rifle Team while stationed at Bragg.
My current collection of AR's include Colt, Sig, and Daniel Defense. All factory builds.
My second paragraph in my last post clearly states that I do not clean my guns after every trip to the range. In fact I rarely do. I do not like cleaning guns. I have duplicates for most of my EDC's. And I do keep the barrels of my hunting rifles clean. But my AR's in 5.56 get abused and kinda rotated. I don't shoot them all at the same time but there is almost always 1 or 2 that need cleaning.
You said you shoot yours until they have issues and then clean them. Maybe you put a lot more through yours than I do mine. But mine don't " have issues ". I would feel comfortable saying I do abuse a couple of my AR's and probably shoot more than most folks. ( I have my own firing range) and plenty of ammo. I'm not bragging just clarifying.
I have stored dirty ARs for months and fired them without issue. I have frozen BCGs and complete hand guns. ( although I don't recall trying this with a dirty firearm ) and fired them straight out of the freezer without and issues. ( M&Ps, 92s and P229s.)
If yours we not " particularly fouled " then they were cleaner than mine. I have one old HBAR Colt that I flat out dog. I have seen fl solidify back to its original paste form, kinda like butter. But not thick or sticky enough to slow anything down or short stroke and it melts about as fast as butter and is thinner than some firearms greases I have used in the past. I have experimented with excess fl with no failures. I always assumed the " don't over apply was a caution for extreme cold but I'm not sure.
As far as the application process goes. I consider it time well spent. It's really nothing more than putting the parts under a lamp and going to watch a ball game or cut the grass. After that everything cleans up with far less effort. If you shoot and clean often it is a time saver overall.
All of that said I do believe you had an issue while using Frog Lube, and you obviously have used other products that have preformed better for you under the same conditions that failed while using Frog Lube. You have chosen to move on to other products and I don't blame you. However considering my own experience with it, I still like it and use it on everything. I don't think it is the best at anything but is good and nontoxic and pretty much harmless. I recommend it and share it with others regularly and will continue to do so with confidence that it is a very good product.
I'm still open to suggestions on recreating some kind of Frog Lube failure.
I'm also willing to supply it to someone that wants to put it through a more rigorous, controlled test process.
I have already stated I'm no chemist and for the record I'm no armor either.
I am also aware that you are competent and knowledgable about AR15's. more so than me. I suspect you have also served.
I have put many thousands of rounds through M16's, while I was in the Army in the 80's. In both the 1st 75th Rangers and the 82nd Airborne. 11B Infantry. I was also on the Rifle Team while stationed at Bragg.
My current collection of AR's include Colt, Sig, and Daniel Defense. All factory builds.
My second paragraph in my last post clearly states that I do not clean my guns after every trip to the range. In fact I rarely do. I do not like cleaning guns. I have duplicates for most of my EDC's. And I do keep the barrels of my hunting rifles clean. But my AR's in 5.56 get abused and kinda rotated. I don't shoot them all at the same time but there is almost always 1 or 2 that need cleaning.
You said you shoot yours until they have issues and then clean them. Maybe you put a lot more through yours than I do mine. But mine don't " have issues ". I would feel comfortable saying I do abuse a couple of my AR's and probably shoot more than most folks. ( I have my own firing range) and plenty of ammo. I'm not bragging just clarifying.
I have stored dirty ARs for months and fired them without issue. I have frozen BCGs and complete hand guns. ( although I don't recall trying this with a dirty firearm ) and fired them straight out of the freezer without and issues. ( M&Ps, 92s and P229s.)
If yours we not " particularly fouled " then they were cleaner than mine. I have one old HBAR Colt that I flat out dog. I have seen fl solidify back to its original paste form, kinda like butter. But not thick or sticky enough to slow anything down or short stroke and it melts about as fast as butter and is thinner than some firearms greases I have used in the past. I have experimented with excess fl with no failures. I always assumed the " don't over apply was a caution for extreme cold but I'm not sure.
As far as the application process goes. I consider it time well spent. It's really nothing more than putting the parts under a lamp and going to watch a ball game or cut the grass. After that everything cleans up with far less effort. If you shoot and clean often it is a time saver overall.
All of that said I do believe you had an issue while using Frog Lube, and you obviously have used other products that have preformed better for you under the same conditions that failed while using Frog Lube. You have chosen to move on to other products and I don't blame you. However considering my own experience with it, I still like it and use it on everything. I don't think it is the best at anything but is good and nontoxic and pretty much harmless. I recommend it and share it with others regularly and will continue to do so with confidence that it is a very good product.
I'm still open to suggestions on recreating some kind of Frog Lube failure.
I'm also willing to supply it to someone that wants to put it through a more rigorous, controlled test process.
