I've changed my mind about the Second Amendment

[Omega]

so when a murderer gets out of jail give him his guns back?

I totally agree with you laufen.

With malice? Or something like vehicular manslaughter...
If youre not gonna give someone back their rights after they followed the mandated procedure and then made it through the bs in our correctional system...

im all for giving anyone the means to protect themselves. I guess shall not be infringed means something different to me than sheep.

If someone doesnt have freedom and is gonna be treated like a second rate citizen their whole life... why even release them from incarceration.?

 

[GeauxLSU]

You may have shown a propensity, but when you have paid your debt, you have paid your debt. What good are your rights if they can be taken away?

Again you assume being in prison is 'paying your debt' and you're done. I don't agree. There are all sorts of situations and all sort of ways of 'paying your debt'. In your mind I presume there should be no 'probation' either? You commit a crime and are found guilty of murder, rape or child molestation especially if a firearm is used, perhaps even armed robbery, your 'debt' is prison time plus your surrendering of your 2A rights. If after a point in time you successfully appeal your 2A suspension, more power to you.

 

[semi-pro]

To identify how strong your position is, try to argue FOR your opinion instead of against mine.

Ok, eye for an eye. problem solved!
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[kmaxwell3]

At that point you have paid your debt to society have you not? Should they be stripped of the right to illegal search and seizure as well....just in case they might be hiding something?

If you are a convicted murderer you don't pay your debt until they put you to death and bury your sorry ***!! That's the way I see it. You loose all your rights at that point.

 

[Laufen]

Again you assume being in prison is 'paying your debt' and you're done. I don't agree. There are all sorts of situations and all sort of ways of 'paying your debt'. In your mind I presume there should be no 'probation' either? You commit a crime and are found guilty of murder, rape or child molestation especially if a firearm is used, perhaps even armed robbery, your 'debt' is prison time plus your surrendering of your 2A rights. If after a point in time you successfully appeal your 2A suspension, more power to you.

Which other rights should be stripped away based on a past criminal record? Who should get to decide?

If this were the case, it may have an unintended and very positive side effect of focusing on rehabilitating criminals, or assigning appropriate prison sentences. There may even be totally new ways to approach incarceration/rehabilitation/probation/etc.

 

[Laufen]

If you are a convicted murderer you don't pay your debt until they put you to death and bury your sorry ***!! That's the way I see it. You loose all your rights at that point.

Well that's not the law in every instance, and your rights are yours. If you can lose them, they were never "rights" in the first place.

 

[Laufen]

Ok, eye for an eye. problem solved!
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Except mistakes are made. I'm not for killing innocent people.

 

[Laufen]

Gotta duck out, but carry on folks. I have a sick kiddo with strep that's needing some love.

 

[Omega]

Your position, which is consistent of course, assumes that 'paying your debt to society' equals rehabilitation. I don't subscribe.
I suppose you feel regardless of the number of DUI's you should always be allowed to get your license back (I get it's not an enumerated right but same principle).
There is a process for felons to get their 2A rights restored. I'm fine with that. Get out of jail and it becomes automatic, nope. You've proven your propensity to use firearms illegally and likely in a deadly manner towards innocents. I get the 'logic' behind your position, I simply don't agree and think it theoretical and naive.

all felonies dont involve a weapon.

Your next to last sentence... facepalm. If I commit tax fraud, a federal offense considered a felony. then ive shown myself inept to handle a gun or protect myself by criminal association? Thats the logic of your statement? Because if thats the case.... I think your idea of logic is biased and to precautionary to consider.

 

[oldmetlfan]

If you are a convicted murderer you don't pay your debt until they put you to death and bury your sorry ***!! That's the way I see it. You loose all your rights at that point.

So somebody that kills someone in an car accident should automatically be put to death? It's a manslaughter charge after all.
Most of those "convicted murderers" get 5-15 years, and a felony on their record.