I've changed my mind about the Second Amendment

[Gigabyte71]

If you are serving a sentence for a crime that's something different altogether, but when you are released your rights should be fully intact.

I wonder just how big of a problem "for profit" prisons are creating.

Glad to see you have finally come to this understanding. This appears to be one thing we are both in full agreement on.

 

[Laufen]

Glad to see you have finally come to this understanding. This appears to be one thing we are both in full agreement on.

I've always held a similar position, and I'm always willing to listen to compelling arguments that may make me change an opinion.

 

[GeauxLSU]

Not a bit dog huh....have u films ever heard of caught & not caught.... ever body the age of being an adult has done something 2 in their life that if they had been caught they could have been convicted of a felony...then there goes your guns my friend...you can deny if if you want but that's just the facts of life...let the non sinner cast the 1st stone

I've read it a few times and not exactly sure what you are saying. I've never pretended to not be a sinner or never broken a law in my life. The statement was EVERYBODY has committed felony crimes. Despite the rule of absolutes, I personally am unaware of any I have comitted but admit it's possible given how complex some laws are. The ones that have been mentioned are clear enough. I haven't done those.

 

[GeauxLSU]

If you are serving a sentence for a crime that's something different altogether, but when you are released your rights should be fully intact.

I wonder just how big of a problem "for profit" prisons are creating.

We're back to what I was saying earlier. You think the release from prison ends the sentence and also equates to rehabilitation (or I guess should). I don't think it equates (automatically) to either of those things.

 

[Gigabyte71]

I've read it a few times and not exactly sure what you are saying. I've never pretended to not be a sinner or never broken a law in my life. The statement was EVERYBODY has committed felony crimes. Despite the rule of absolutes, I personally am unaware of any I have comitted but admit it's possible given how complex some laws are. The ones that have been mentioned are clear enough. I haven't done those.

There was a study done several years ago that showed that the Average American unknowingly commits 3 felonies a day.

 

[chucklenut]

so when a murderer gets out of jail give him his guns back?

he did the time, "debt to society" is paid

and im against murderers getting out of jail at all honestly

 

[Gigabyte71]

he did the time, "debt to society" is paid

and im against murderers getting out of jail at all honestly

Regardless of the situation?

 

[Proximal]

I agree. I probably wouldn't have prior to this thread, but this makes logical sense. Honestly, I'm kind of disappointed in myself for not thinking about this sooner since I consider myself a Libertarian.

 

[Laufen]

We're back to what I was saying earlier. You think the release from prison ends the sentence and also equates to rehabilitation (or I guess should). I don't think it equates (automatically) to either of those things.

If anything Geaux, I think it brings to light the obvious failings of our current system of incarceration. Regardless of whether a felon should retain all of their rights when released from prison, why should the focus be primarily on detention and not rehabilitation? Shouldn't the goal be making sure that when the person leaves prison that they are ready and able to be productive members of society? That would be a huge benefit to all of us. We are getting exactly what we are paying for with for profit prisons.

 

[Gigabyte71]

We are getting exactly what we are paying for with for profit prisons.

There are other issues involved here as well. How many life long criminals are being made by our current prison systems? Kid gets caught with too much weed and goes to prison. Gets out of prison and has learned all kinds of new criminal behavior.