My 18 year old asked my to buy him a handgun

[ARCman47]

At least your screen name is honest.
Like I said, do whatever you like. A person that cannot legally obtain a firearm is not legal to receive one as a gift or otherwise. Asking someone to *wink* gift you a gun is a straw sale, plain and simple. If you are going to call someone a liar that knows the law inside and out, you'd better be prepared to get ball slapped.

 

[GeauxLSU]

A person that cannot legally obtain a firearm is not legal to receive one as a gift or otherwise.

What do you mean 'obtain'?
It's illegal for me to gift my son (he's 10) a firearm? If so, my dad was one heck of a lawbreaker.

 

[Tony2X]

Meanwhile in Carnesville.....

 

[Aimless]

At least your screen name is honest.
Like I said, do whatever you like. A person that cannot legally obtain a firearm is not legal to receive one as a gift or otherwise. Asking someone to *wink* gift you a gun is a straw sale, plain and simple. If you are going to call someone a liar that knows the law inside and out, you'd better be prepared to get ball slapped.

I called a spade a spade. For all this law you claim to know you are still unable to provide the law that supports your claim. Hell, I even linked you all of the laws regarding section 44. So what is the hold up?

If his son is not a prohibited person (and at 18, he is old enough to own a firearm), then having a family member buy a firearm for him is not illegal so long as the buyer is honest and accurate on the 4473. His asking or not asking is irrelevant. A straw purchase only takes place when a buyer knowingly purchases a firearm for a prohibited person or the buyer makes false statements on the form 4473. What is so difficult for you to understand about that? I await yours or a member of your peanut gallery (that's you ACR man), to provide a statue or case law that proves otherwise.

 

[Smiter]

Buy him one but keep it at your house and only let him have access to it with you. My 6 y/o has here own handgun, but she doesn't have access to it unless we are at the range.

 

[Aimless]

What do you mean 'obtain'?
It's illegal for me to gift my son (he's 10) a firearm? If so, my dad was one heck of a lawbreaker.

I am sure your father is in the clear, nevermind the ****house lawyers they are always claiming something is illegal but when asked to provide proof, they always crap out.

 

[Laufen]

I called a spade a spade. For all this law you claim to know you are still unable to provide the law that supports your claim. Hell, I even linked you all of the laws regarding section 44. So what is the hold up?

If his son is not a prohibited person (and at 18, he is old enough to own a firearm), then having a family member buy a firearm for him is not illegal so long as the buyer is honest and accurate on the 4473. His asking or not asking is irrelevant. A straw purchase only takes place when a buyer knowingly purchases a firearm for a prohibited person or the buyer makes false statements on the form 4473. What is so difficult for you to understand about that? I await yours or a member of your peanut gallery (that's you ACR man), to provide a statue or case law that proves otherwise.

So let me get this right. You are claiming that an individual that is not legally allowed to possess a firearm can approach you to fill out the paperwork on their behalf? Sure, have fun with that. I don't need to cite a law or statute, that is common knowledge.

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I am sure your father is in the clear, nevermind the ****house lawyers they are always claiming something is illegal but when asked to provide proof, they always crap out.

A ten year old is not an adult.

 

[Aimless]

So let me get this right. You are claiming that an individual that is not legally allowed to possess a firearm can approach you to fill out the paperwork on their behalf? Sure, have fun with that. I don't need to cite a law or statute, that is common knowledge.

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A ten year old is not an adult.

When did I say that a non-prohibited buyer can purchase for a prohibited buyer? I didn't. You have a reading comprehension problem. The statement you made earlier was that it is a felony for someone to buy a gun for someone else if the person ASKED for the firearm as a gift. That is wrong. So long as the 4473 is filled out properly and the gift receiver is NOT a prohibited person there is nothing illegal about it.

 

[Retread]

Depends on the kid. I bought one for mine, but it stayed in my control.

 

[Laufen]

So long as the 4473 is filled out properly and the gift receiver is NOT a prohibited person there is nothing illegal about it.

Wrong, plain and simple. That is THE DEFINITION of a straw sale, you are just calling it a gift. If I wanted to buy up a bunch of guns for some gang members (for a large profit) and then "gift" them the guns because that's what we decided to call it, is that cool with the atf? If you went into a store and were delayed a sale of a new rifle and you really wanted it for a trip you were taking tomorrow, could you ask me to get it for you as a "gift" legally? No, no you cannot. That is a felony. Like I said though, have at it, I'll make sure to keep paying my taxes to pay for your bread and water.