ODT After 05/20 - A question for Okuma

[spencer60]

A couple of lawsuits have been filed, but the likelihood of any of them to overturn the part of the rule where there's an 'intent' to profit from a sale is pretty low.

This was specifically changed in the 'Bipartisan Safer Communities Act' to read this way, which makes it hard to argue that the ATF is making up new laws like they did with the frame and receiver, pistol brace or bump-stock rules.

Maybe if the ATF pulls another boner and arrests a 95 year old grandmother for selling her dead husbands old police service revolver to someone and using the money to pay her medical bills. You could see that getting headlines and swaying a court.

But if they just go after the flippers and gun show 'pros' out there, I doubt there will be a lot of fuss and demand for more legal action.

 

[IRAQZOMBIE]

Hope you're doing good Brother.

I'm doing good Thank you Sir

 

[IRAQZOMBIE]

West Virginia gun lawyer explains ATF private sale rule

The lawsuit alleges a new rule requiring the private seller of a gun, in most cases, to first obtain a federal firearms license is unlawful.

www.wdtv.com

 

[IRAQZOMBIE]

21 state law suite

 

[BIKER13]

10 days and we will see.

 

[Deleted member 97214]

No one has even come close to explaining how the ATF could possibly know if you were profiting or not......

I'm still waiting. No one has touched that.

 

[Deleted member 97214]

They keep using words like "predominantly" and "intent" as if theres some quantified amount, which they havent divulged...

What a crock of ****...

 

[aFarewellToKings]

They keep using words like "predominantly" and "intent" as if theres some quantified amount, which they havent divulged...

What a crock of ****...

Worse - according to the wording of the law above, they need to prove that not only did you "intend" to make a profit, but that that was your "predominant" "intent".
They need to prove that you wanted that more than you wanted to fondle the gun, or shoot the gun, or say that you had owned one, or wanted to help the "less fortunate" who did not go out to visit a gun store.

But, or course, none of that's going to matter when they come to get you at 4am.

 

[StuP]

I've skimmed over the "new rule" and watched many videos on it and for the life of me I can't see anything new, anything that wasn't already the case.

I see a lot of people who think before this rule you could only be considered a dealer if dealing was your main source of income, but now the rule changes it to include people that deal as a secondary source of income or something.

I don't know why they thought that was the case, but they were wrong. Anytime you buy a gun with the sole intention of selling it to someone else you are acting as a dealer, that's always been the case as far as I knew.

This is a anti-flipper rule change. I thought that's what you guys wanted?

This

 

[TrueGrit]

you know me. I am 73 years old, do you really think I am going to let someone put their hands on me? I cant fight, I cant run so that leaves a very limited supply of what could happen and another thing, at my age you dont really give a ****.

Yep, the death penalty isn't much of a deterrent anymore.