Red dots on pistols

[bulletslinger101]

I know tons of folks love the high-end optics (I was that way as well). I was looking for an option for less cost that would have the zero retention and the RDO not blur.

Maybe take a look at the vortex viper.. much cheaper and work really well.

I’m please with them. I have one on a 19 and one on a 320... no complaints with 1800 through the 19 and 1200 through the 320.... has worked well for me... The biggest upside is I’m not in a puddle of tears when it go’s down other than a power source.

These optics are like 220ish to 240ish.... Don’t get me wrong, I’m still bummed but atleast I’m not having to replace for big bills....

Nice light weight... window is clear, dot-crisp and no putter edge to obstruct vision.


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The hardest time I have with an RDO is that it takes all the fun for me out of shooting. I love the challenge of lining up the front and the rear sight getting on target going through the fundamentals. After learning and going through the pains of the RDO, I feel like all of my challenge has subsided and I feel like I need to move to a platform without one on it..

I do carry for my every day carry an optic on my side arm, just because if something happens it is so fast to get on target. But when I’m out on the range and going through fundamentals and practicing focusing on fundamentals I feel like I need to get back to BUIS...

In this case just watching guns simply, all I do is turn the RDO off and use the BUIS....to me this is much more fun when shooting...

How about y’all.


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[sheep dog]

So I’ll get more idea when I get to the range this week but should the red dot and the front sight be same point of aim? Like if. I have the red dot off and use irons. Would I have same sight picture and alignment if I turn the red dot on?

 

[bulletslinger101]

So I’ll get more idea when I get to the range this week but should the red dot and the front sight be same point of aim? Like if. I have the red dot off and use irons. Would I have same sight picture and alignment if I turn the red dot on?

Come see me.. if your not to far away. I’ll ping ya my address.

Update as of 1302:

PM’d address


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[ridgerunner33]

The hardest time I have with an RDO is that it takes all the fun for me out of shooting. I love the challenge of lining up the front and the rear sight getting on target going through the fundamentals. After learning and going through the pains of the RDO, I feel like all of my challenge has subsided and I feel like I need to move to a platform without one on it..

I do carry for my every day carry an optic on my side arm, just because if something happens it is so fast to get on target. But when I’m out on the range and going through fundamentals and practicing focusing on fundamentals I feel like I need to get back to BUIS...

In this case just watching guns simply, all I do is turn the RDO off and use the BUIS....to me this is much more fun when shooting...

How about y’all.


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I so agree with this statement.It is more satisfying to me to shoot well with irons than with a dot.Your mental acuity must be on a razors edge,to shoot well at range....beyond 25 yards.Thats the point....being able to drown out gun fire, and distractions,to reach deep and shoot as well with irons as with a MRDS.This brings the satisfaction that I did well.Thats what Im after...same as in bow hunting....I could use a crossbow or the newest Bowtech,but I choose to use a custom recurve,so any whitetail you take,is hard and a well deserved trophy.Besides shooting well in adverse or challenging conditions will ensure you shoot well when it counts and definitely when advantages lie in your corner,like a solid MRDS.

 

[bulletslinger101]

I so agree with this statement.It is more satisfying to me to shoot well with irons than with a dot.Your mental acuity must be on a razors edge,to shoot well at range....beyond 25 yards.Thats the point....being able to drown out gun fire, and distractions,to reach deep and shoot as well with irons as with a MRDS.This brings the satisfaction that I did well.Thats what Im after...same as in bow hunting....I could use a crossbow or the newest Bowtech,but I choose to use a custom recurve,so any whitetail you take,is hard and a well deserved trophy.Besides shooting well in adverse or challenging conditions will ensure you shoot well when it counts and definitely when advantages lie in your corner,like a solid MRDS.

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[ridgerunner33]

So basicly what Im saying is,if a man is normaly shooting and training not using every advantage at his disposal.Using adverse conditions and or choosing some if not most of his time to shoot without every advantage.......just how much sharper do you think this guy will be,when it counts,and does have these extra advantages?And then again when one is removed during his time of need?At that time,its my belief even if his adversary has equal equipment,this guy will out pace his opponent.

 

[SashaTheBear17]

From an LEO perspective,

Red dots are the way to go. Being able to focus on the person, their actions, what’s in their hands, etc. is extremely helpful. Having to switch between focusing on the front sight of a traditional weapon and then back to the perp and so on is difficult without constant practice.

I believe red dot leads to quicker target acquisition, tighter groups, and positive identification of threats. Take it as you will, but this is the future of firearms. Red dots won’t replace iron sights, ever. Gotta practice with both.

My advice for new red dot operators is to get a red dot that allows for battery replacement without having to remove the red dot and re-sight the optic. The vortex venom is one of my favorites.

This is my daily carry.

 

[FreedomUSMC]

Having co-wits is a must for carry, not so much for range days. I have had iron sights walk and some actually came off when they certainly shouldn't have. So my logic, 2 is better than 1. If someone is dropping a firearm on the RDS on a rock, they're a safety hazard and shouldn't have a gun. If their RDS dies then it's from most likely from poor maintenance or forgetting to change the battery. I always hear those "friend of a friend" stories, but I've never experienced or seen a RDS fail/ break.

 

[jpm2953]

Having co-wits is a must for carry, not so much for range days. I have had iron sights walk and some actually came off when they certainly shouldn't have. So my logic, 2 is better than 1. If someone is dropping a firearm on the RDS on a rock, they're a safety hazard and shouldn't have a gun. If their RDS dies then it's from most likely from poor maintenance or forgetting to change the battery. I always hear those "friend of a friend" stories, but I've never experienced or seen a RDS fail/ break.

Being in the USPSA circle, i am around more people than most with dots.
-A buddy had a Leupold delta point pro fail straight out of the box. Dot shut off on the first stage and wouldn't come back on.
My boss has had a vortex venom crack the housing and the glass came loose around 5k rounds.
My boss had another venom fail around 18k rounds. Shut off and wouldn't come back on.
Another shooting buddy had an SRO fail at 12k rounds and another fail around 2k rounds.

I've been lucky, I've had nothing but good luck with my DPP, Romeo 1 pro, 507c and Venoms.

 

[Dirty J]

So I’ll get more idea when I get to the range this week but should the red dot and the front sight be same point of aim? Like if. I have the red dot off and use irons. Would I have same sight picture and alignment if I turn the red dot on?

Due to alignment and lockup, with the optic having only one focal plane and the irons having two... they won’t always line up 100% matched and still have the same POI.

They should be zero’d completely independently.