Robbery at Tru Prep thwarted by a familiar face.

[greg vess]

I have been a Use of Force Instructor for approximately 25 years. I don’t only teach LEO’s, but also regularly teach civilians on Use of Force matters. I’ve actually taught more civilians than I’ve taught LEO’s.

Additionally, I have investigated thousands of calls for service involving civilian use of force against another civilian. In essence, making a determination as to whether or not a civilian’s use of force was justified. Deciding whether criminal charges should be brought against them, as well as exactly what charge or charges fit the crime.

Several years ago, I was called in to testify as an Expert Witness in a case where a civilian used Deadly Force here in Georgia. I was interviewed in depth by the Superior Court, which determined me to be Subject Matter Expert (SME) in matters governing Use of Force. An SME is a person who possesses specialized knowledge or skills in a particular field or subject matter. In the legal context, SMEs are often called upon to provide expert opinions or testimony in court cases, or to advise attorneys on complex legal issues.

I’ve spent far more time inside a court of law, as well as on advisory boards, investigatory panels, and administrative counsels, dealing with Use of Force issues, policies, and implementation, than the part-time author and full-time liberal naysayer who is taking exception to my actions.

Well now it seems that you have been a little less forthcoming about your abilities not only behind the gunsmith shop table, defensive teaching and the court side arena as well. Much respect Sir cmshoot and Duke of Marietta. No really that's impressive. So was that you that did the body slam or do I have the wrong pig by the ear?

 

[cmshoot]

Well now it seems that you have been a little less forthcoming about your abilities not only behind the gunsmith shop table, defensive teaching and the court side arena as well. Much respect Sir cmshoot and Duke of Marietta. No really that's impressive. So was that you that did the body slam or do I have the wrong pig by the ear?

Yes, it was me.

 

[greg vess]

Yes, it was me.

Lovely my man! I took martial arts for 4 years and I never saw anybody get thrown to the ground so quick! Of course no one tried to run out of the dojo with a Katana. 🤣

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

"I’ve spent far more time inside a court of law, as well as on advisory boards, investigatory panels, and administrative counsels, dealing with Use of Force issues, policies, and implementation...."


Really? well the world must've changed recently radically because career prosecutors like I was never ask cops questions about use of force. COPS ask other cops such questions ... and Assistant District Attorneys like myself would actually consult with cops at their request or teach cops about the rules on use of force. We (lawyers) were the subject matter experts. We would advise the grand jury and later a trial jury what we thought the law meant and how to apply to the facts of a particular case.

I've prosecuted hundreds of citizens for improper use of force, evaluated dozens more who claimed self-defense as justification, and I've participated in the arrest and prosecution of a few bad officers as well.

Remember, everything you learned or taught by cops for cops is not applicable when you are not a cop and acting under color of authority.

What counts is not what police instructors say or the training manuals at the police academy. What counts is what the actual black-and-white LAWS say: the laws passed by our Georgia General assembly, and case law from prior decisions. Laws which are interpreted
first by cops in the field, then by lawyers, thirdly by judges hearing pretrial motions, fourth by a jury, and fifth (and maybe 6th) by appellate judges.

And when it comes to tort law remember that not only don't you have any immunity but you are vulnerable to getting found liable for a brand new type of tort (civil wrong, basis for a lawsuit).

A tort that --until your case worked its way through the legal system --had never been recognized as a valid cause of action before. New torts are being created and recognized all the time .
You don't get a free warning by being able to say "well there's no clearly established case law that says I can't do that" like you could while cloaked with the official protection of a badge doing a cops job.

 

[Please Delete]

Very entertaining and satisfying to watch!

But still, as a lawyer, I gotta say it's cringeworthy because it looks like excessive force-- body slamming a woman half your size who's obviously weak and can barely shuffle run a few steps at a time. Body slamming her after you've already stopped her motion and put her head and arms in a restraint hold....

Body slamming her on camera knowing there are cameras all around and then posting it on social media to collect a bunch of 'atta- boy's" and virtual pats on the back...

...essentially making the woman part of a promotional video for the store!

But perhaps she doesn't have any say in the matter ...I mean what she did kind of gives consent to filming and publicizing what SHE OUGHT TO KNOW what's about to happen to her (right? I would hope so.)

20y/o crackhead stealing a gun? How did cmshoot know she was unarmed? Looked like he was pretty gentle considering the circumstances.

I talk mad **** about mods on this site...but cmshoot is a ****ing real one. He has built 2 rifles for me and I have been to his house.

Pretty sure that could have gone a LOT worse for ole girl. FAFO.

 

[GAgunLAWbooklet]

And before a peanut gallery full of morons chimes in and says "well there won't be any lawsuit" and "I've heard of cases like this happening before and there was never a successful lawsuit over it"
let me point out that there are practical reasons why there may not ever be a lawsuit over a valid tort.

1-- the victim is NOT injured enough to make it a high dollar case worth a personal injury law from taking it on for a contingency fee... and the deadbeat criminal who was victimized by the excessive force doesn't have any money to pay a lawyer or pay costs of litigation, so a contingency deal is absolutely critical.

2-- the victim is so clearly in the wrong for stealing, a civil jury may disregard the law that says "don't beat up criminals" because they have no sympathy for a criminal.

3(a) --the excessive force victim may be a bad witness and a lousy litigant who is difficult to work with, tends to miss appointments with his or her lawyer, doesn't return phone calls, doesn't prepare for depositions, doesn't remember key details of the incident, and says stupid things that work to undermine his or her case.

(3)(b) the potential plaintiff/victim wants to get rich quick and turns down a lawyer's offer to represent him or her when the lawyer says "no, I can't get you $1 million in 60 days, but I might be able to get you $50,000 after two years of fighting and negotiating in and out of court!" So many people think that filing a lawsuit is effortless and the other side will just write a check and hand it over in a matter of weeks . The victim doesn't always have the guts or the fortitude to dig-in for a long haul of litigation.

4-- the victim leads of vagabond lifestyle and is very likely to drop off the radar and end up couch surfing with some distant acquaintance (or just sleeping under a bridge, homeless) on the other side of the country, with no notice to his or her lawyer, and no updated contact information.


5-- The victim isn't a member of some special minority group that is coddled by the media and which can draw support and money from so many civil rights organizations.

 

[Please Delete]

"I’ve spent far more time inside a court of law, as well as on advisory boards, investigatory panels, and administrative counsels, dealing with Use of Force issues, policies, and implementation...."


Really? well the world must've changed recently radically because career prosecutors like I was never ask cops questions about use of force. COPS ask other cops such questions ... and Assistant District Attorneys like myself would actually consult with cops at their request or teach cops about the rules on use of force. We (lawyers) were the subject matter experts. We would advise the grand jury and later a trial jury what we thought the law meant and how to apply to the facts of a particular case.

I've prosecuted hundreds of citizens for improper use of force, evaluated dozens more who claimed self-defense as justification, and I've participated in the arrest and prosecution of a few bad officers as well.

Remember, everything you learned or taught by cops for cops is not applicable when you are not a cop and acting under color of authority.

What counts is not what police instructors say or the training manuals at the police academy. What counts is what the actual black-and-white LAWS say: the laws passed by our Georgia General assembly, and case law from prior decisions. Laws which are interpreted
first by cops in the field, then by lawyers, thirdly by judges hearing pretrial motions, fourth by a jury, and fifth (and maybe 6th) by appellate judges.

And when it comes to tort law remember that not only don't you have any immunity but you are vulnerable to getting found liable for a brand new type of tort (civil wrong, basis for a lawsuit).

A tort that --until your case worked its way through the legal system --had never been recognized as a valid cause of action before. New torts are being created and recognized all the time .
You don't get a free warning by being able to say "well there's no clearly established case law that says I can't do that" like you could while cloaked with the official protection of a badge doing a cops job.

daaaamn...talking about tort law...you prolly have met my uncle inlaw. He loves tort.

 

[N.Ga.Trader]

This definitely turned more entertaining than I had expected

 

[Red Dawn]

Yes, it was me.

Class enrollment went up 45% for that act of bravery..Thanks for playing the role not just acting the part your a good man !!

 

[cmshoot]

Suspect is a well-known to local LE, repeat offender, who was already on probation at the time of the Great TruPrep Canik Caper.

I’m positive that she doesn’t have the personal funds to hire an attorney, so if anyone here knows a concerned attorney with a lot of free time on their hands, maybe they could volunteer their services to help the poor dear.