Ruger 10/22 vintage?

[glocker]

Here’s my Charger build. As said above 10/22 and charger receivers are identical other than “charger” being embossed on the receiver and being classified on a 4473 as a pistol.

If you buy an aftermarket receiver from what I understand you can choose if it’s a rifle or a pistol once you go fill out the 4473. Just make sure who ever brings it into their book they understand you want it registered as a pistol or rifle.


For reference here’s my charger build. I’m currently trying to decide to use the Eotech 512 or the Holosun 403c. Which is why there’s 2 different optics mounted on it.

I want to set up a charger like this! Looks great! How much do you think ( minus optic) do you have invested in this B1acth?

 

[alexs2006]

I want to set up a charger like this! Looks great! How much do you think ( minus optic) do you have invested in this B1acth?

Mostly Everything on this build is stuff I've bought from Gadgetsrfun .

Charger receiver - $100(used)
Mid west industries chassis - $300 new (I don't remember what I bought it for)
BCM vertical grip $40
Trigger is a stock trigger pack I had laying around I am adding a Tandemkross trigger upgrade to it - $140
Barrel is a factory 10/22 barrel chopped to 10" and my OCL Ti suppressor tucks nicely in the hand guard. - $90 (I went this route to save a ton of weight and the factory barrels are plenty accurate enough for a blaster like this one is)
SBA3 clone brace I bought from a guy here making them for $25
Pistol length buffer tube and castle nut $25
Hornet customs bolt and VQ charging handle is $200(I had this laying in a parts bin from a previous build I swapped out for the VQ firefly bolt so it would cycle cci quiet ammo)

I built what I wanted as cheaply as I could buying stuff used and using parts I had laying around

So, if you bought it all new its be around $900ish

 

[AR-Trvlr]

TL;DR - no you can't LEGALLY make a 10/22 receiver into a charger/short barrel/pistol without going thru the form 1/SBR registration. Start with the Charger receiver if you want it legal.

So to keep it simple- if it is a pistol/charger then you can use a brace and any setup you want except a vertical forward grip (I don't know why but that is the law). Pistol + vertical grip = SBR

if you have a rifle (10/22 rifle) then the only way to put a short barrel on it (under 16") is to pay for the SBR stamp and form 1 the rifle to an SBR. You can not just put a brace on it and call it a pistol because it was originally purchased as a rifle from the dealer when you bought it (when it is purchased on a 4473 it is registered as a rifle when you buy a 10/22, pistol when you purchase a Charger). the saying is "once a rifle, always a rifle".

So to use your Ruger as a "pistol" you would have to start with the Charger action, even though they are identical. If you want to use your 10/22 rifle as a pistol with a shorter barrel, you can't legally without converting to an SBR. But you can register it (form 1, pay the tax, engrave) as an SBR. With the Charger you can put a brace on it, but not put a stock on it unless you register it, pay the tax and form 1/engrave the receiver.

AR15's kind of get around some of this if you purchase a stripped lower receiver, it can be sold/registered as "other" or "pistol" as it could be built into a pistol or a rifle (I maybe off on my terminology, but usually the stripped lowers are not registered as a rifle by most shops). If it was purchased with a stock and registered as a rifle when purchased, then you can't just remove parts and convert it to a pistol (once a rifle, always a rifle (or SBR)). I have purchased a couple of stripped lowers specifically to build as pistols, and am in the process of doing a Form 1 to SBR at least one or two so I can have traditional stocks on them with short barrels and vertical grips if I want.

so to go back on your original question- if you purchase something as a rifle, it is always a rifle. you can SBR (short barrel rifle) it and register it (form 1, tax stamp, engraving) but it's still a rifle just a short barrel rifle at that point. If you purchase something as a pistol, you can run whatever length barrel you want as long as you don't put a stock on it (Ok to have a brace on it) or a vertical grip in the front. If you want to put a stock on it (or vertical grip) then you need to register it and go that route.

of course you could just take your 10/22 receiver and make it into a charger/pistol as it's all the same fitment and design, but technically it would be illegal. Is it worth it to run that risk? that's up to you. I bought a Charger a while ago even though I have a few 10/22's that I could have moved parts around so I didn't have to worry about something being illegal. I will probably SBR one of them and my debate is SBR one of my 10/22 rifles and buy a shorter barrel and appropriate stock, or SBR the charger and put a stock on it.

I believe that you can buy any of the new/never built 10/22 clone receivers and build them into either as they've never been built as a rifle - it's the same logic as the AR15 lower receivers.

 

[SpeedyR]

I believe that you can buy any of the new/never built 10/22 clone receivers and build them into either as they've never been built as a rifle - it's the same logic as the AR15 lower receivers.

yes. the main thing is when you transfer it through your FFL make sure they designate it as a pistol or other and not as a rifle. Any bare receiver should be able to do this as well. I keep thinking about making a super short bolt action 300 blackout or 8.6/338 "pistol". If Aero ever gets their act together.

 

[SpeedyR]

my charger build. way too much fun at the range. cheap red dot on it for now. Charger action, VQ 6" carbon barrel, dead air mask, PMACA chassis, SBA3 brace, Emissary handbrake.

 

[alexs2006]

I believe that you can buy any of the new/never built 10/22 clone receivers and build them into either as they've never been built as a rifle - it's the same logic as the AR15 lower receivers.

It's all about how the original purchaser has their FFL register it into their book. If it's brought in as a rifle it will always a rifle.

 

[rhaney02]

Here’s my Charger build. As said above 10/22 and charger receivers are identical other than “charger” being embossed on the receiver and being classified on a 4473 as a pistol.

If you buy an aftermarket receiver from what I understand you can choose if it’s a rifle or a pistol once you go fill out the 4473. Just make sure who ever brings it into their book they understand you want it registered as a pistol or rifle.


For reference here’s my charger build. I’m currently trying to decide to use the Eotech 512 or the Holosun 403c. Which is why there’s 2 different optics mounted on it.

Dude, your EOtech is on backwards.

 

[alexs2006]

Dude, your EOtech is on backwards.

Wut?

 

[rhaney02]

Wut?

Turn it on and see which end you can see the dot.

 

[alexs2006]

Wut?

Well that makes alot of since now.....