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But that IS my point. “Un commanded” is still unintentional (albeit more egregious) but if the crime stats don’t break down those 18,000 unintentional discharges into percentage of “uncommanded” then how are we to know if the 100 from the P320 is significant relative to another brand or model? There could be 200, 300, or 400 uncommanded discharges by XYZ brand but they don’t have government contracts, police body cam footage or military armorer affidavits to support it. (And let’s not discount the mob mentality of internet dog piling) I just think it’s weird that we shrug our shoulders at the other 17,900 incidents and say, “I guess we’ll never know ‘bout those over there” but when it involves cops or servicemen and it’s a national crisis. I mean, I’ve seen cops at the range qualifying. Some shouldn’t be allowed to handle squirt guns much less actual firearms. I think it’s fair to say Glock or HK or Ruger or [insert favorite brand here] is a safer choice than the P320 but that’s if you assume those others don’t make up a significant portion of that 17,900. There’s a lot of unaccounted for and unexplained data there.People have been pointing at this gun in particular for quite some time now. People are suddenly aware of it because of the publicity this incident has gotten. Obviously folks like us know that cops and service members are not automatically firearms experts, and although some have been shot by 320's, this young airman dying from it makes it far more high-profile.
1. That is not semantics. Those words mean two entirely different things in this context. "Unintentional" can be applied to someone who caused the discharge due to negligence. "Uncommanded" describes a gun which fires when it should not have and not attributable to any negligence on the part of the user.
2. I get your point, but I don't want people to kill babies. And I don't want innocent gun owners to be shot when they've done nothing wrong.
Playing hometown PR for Sig? Still?But that IS my point. “Un commanded” is still unintentional (albeit more egregious) but if the crime stats don’t break down those 18,000 unintentional discharges into percentage of “uncommanded” then how are we to know if the 100 from the P320 is significant relative to another brand or model? There could be 200, 300, or 400 uncommanded discharges by XYZ brand but they don’t have government contracts, police body cam footage or military armorer affidavits to support it. (And let’s not discount the mob mentality of internet dog piling) I just think it’s weird that we shrug our shoulders at the other 17,900 incidents and say, “I guess we’ll never know ‘bout those over there” but when it involves cops or servicemen and it’s a national crisis. I mean, I’ve seen cops at the range qualifying. Some shouldn’t be allowed to handle squirt guns much less actual firearms. I think it’s fair to say Glock or HK or Ruger or [insert favorite brand here] is a safer choice than the P320 but that’s if you assume those others don’t make up a significant portion of that 17,900. There’s a lot of unaccounted for and unexplained data there.
17,900:100
But that IS my point. “Un commanded” is still unintentional (albeit more egregious) but if the crime stats don’t break down those 18,000 unintentional discharges into percentage of “uncommanded” then how are we to know if the 100 from the P320 is significant relative to another brand or model? There could be 200, 300, or 400 uncommanded discharges by XYZ brand but they don’t have government contracts, police body cam footage or military armorer affidavits to support it. (And let’s not discount the mob mentality of internet dog piling) I just think it’s weird that we shrug our shoulders at the other 17,900 incidents and say, “I guess we’ll never know ‘bout those over there” but when it involves cops or servicemen and it’s a national crisis. I mean, I’ve seen cops at the range qualifying. Some shouldn’t be allowed to handle squirt guns much less actual firearms. I think it’s fair to say Glock or HK or Ruger or [insert favorite brand here] is a safer choice than the P320 but that’s if you assume those others don’t make up a significant portion of that 17,900. There’s a lot of unaccounted for and unexplained data there.
17,900:100