Sig Carry? Safe or Dangerous?

[JimmyJet]

Get the **** out of here with that bull ****… Taurus G2c has a one of the sloppiest triggers I’ve ever experienced

The trigger on a G2C is quite similar to my Glock 30S…. makes the same "cluk" sound….


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[medium187mph]

The trigger on a G2C is quite similar to my Glock 30S…. makes the same "cluk" sound….


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Send it to me for proper disposal, I’ll take care of it real good! Scouts Promise before it got all gay and ****.

 

[traderSouthga]

Send it to me for proper disposal, I’ll take care of it real good! Scouts Promise before it got all gay and ****.

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What’s the address?

 

[JimmyJet]

The 320 being trash doesn't make Taurus worth a crap. Taurus is still trash as well.

There are a lot of opinions in this world…. and yours is one of them….. just sayin'….

I’m hoping it won’t take a class-action lawsuit for Sig to "make it right"….


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[JimmyJet]

Send it to me for proper disposal, I’ll take care of it real good! Scouts Promise before it got all gay and ****.

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Why is it I don’t trust you on that?


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[roydamnmercer]

There have been almost 18,000 unintentional discharges of handguns in the U.S. since 2016. Just over 100 of them have been Sig P320’s. That’s not saying P320’s are “safe” I mean 100 incidents out of 500,000 guns sold is not insignificant, but begs the question: Who made the other 17,900 pistols and what were the circumstances? Were they all committed by lowly civilians? It just seems odd that when a cop or a service member has an unintended discharge, it “must be the gun”…because why? Their inherent firearm expertise? Riiiiiight.

I’m not excusing Sig but this smells a lot like the Glock threads from the 90’s/2000’s in which you couldn’t convince the haters that Glocks were safe or the fanboys that Glocks maybe weren’t quite “perfection”.

 

[rhaney02]

Where did Bruce Gray post this?

I'm a big fan of their SRT kits and triggers for Sigs, HKs, etc. However, if you look on their website you will see they are heavily invested in the P320 platform. I think he doth protest too much.

First saw it on ARF.com where somebody else reposted it. Not sure where it originated.

 

[Fatal_Bert]

There have been almost 18,000 unintentional discharges of handguns in the U.S. since 2016. Just over 100 of them have been Sig P320’s. That’s not saying P320’s are “safe” I mean 100 incidents out of 500,000 guns sold is not insignificant, but begs the question: Who made the other 17,900 pistols and what were the circumstances? Were they all committed by lowly civilians? It just seems odd that when a cop or a service member has an unintended discharge, it “must be the gun”…because why? Their inherent firearm expertise? Riiiiiight.

I’m not excusing Sig but this smells a lot like the Glock threads from the 90’s/2000’s in which you couldn’t convince the haters that Glocks were safe or the fanboys that Glocks maybe weren’t quite “perfection”.

Difference is, this go around we have videos, lot's of videos. Videos remove a lot of the mystery of what really happened.

 

[EugenFJR]

From Bruce Gray at Grayguns.

Screw him and Grayguns....

"So much emotion, Even to the point of posting the Airman’s picture in an attempt to provoke an emotional response. That is just Disgraceful.

I am retiring from the Army after 34 years of service, 14 years as a competitor and smalls arms trainer, and 8 years experience with the P320/M17.
I have been involved in training thousands of Soldiers and have personally trained several hundred on the M17 platform over the years and witnessed it take all kinds of abuse. I have seen parts break, I have seen rear sights come off, and I have seen my fair share of Negligent discharges by Privates, Sergeants, and even a 2 Star General. I have seen all the videos, heard all the stories, and read more than my fair share of completely biased and ignorant posts on both sides.

Is there an issue? I am not convinced yet. It is tragic that a U.S. Airmen lost his life, hell it’s tragic when anyone is injured from a firearms related incident. But the loss or injuries sustained does not prove a mechanical defect.

Some of the most respected Professional Gunsmiths in the industry are right now tearing this thing apart and trying to find out if there is an actual mechanical defect in the P320 mechanism and if so would try to work with Sig to fix the problem. But thats not good enough for the Living room commandos and 50 round a month “competitive shooters” on these boards.

Fact is, there is a group of people on this board and many others who really don’t care if there is an actual problem, they just want to up their post counts by calling people “Sig Shills” or “Fanboys”, and that’s fine. Live on the boards all you want, trust rumors and made up stories by people trying to cover down on their careers because of making a mistake, or having a momentary lapse of attention.

I will trust my experiences and wait for the professionals to complete their studies and exhaust every possible scenario to determine an actual cause. I will also wait for the AF to complete their investigation on the Airmen’s death.
After that I will decide the fate of my M17s and M18s moving forward. Fact is, I don’t care either way. Yes, I really enjoy shooting the M17, it is absolutely one of my favorite guns, but if there is a mechanical issue I want it discovered so a it can be remedied.

Thank you @Bruce Gray and @Sig Guy for your efforts.
Grayguns"

I'd like to point out a few things from this statement from Grayguns...
First off, I to was a weapons instructor in the Small Arms Readiness Group (SARG) from 2005 to 2014 and on Active duty 2008 to 2012. Where I literally trained thousands of soldiers in pre mobilization, a required 3 week weapons training, for all soldiers in the following weapons systems, M4, M9, M16, M249, M240B, M2, MK19.

I don't remember a single client unit that had the P320, they all had M9's. So the P320 has been VERY SLOW getting into the inventory of Reserve units, including MP units. Gray Guns even said that he trained hundreds ( not thousands) of troops in the use of the P320/M17. That would make me believe that the rest of the Army has been slow to replace the M9. ( I'm assuming that he was active duty.)

My biggest problem with his statement is that it's somehow the Airmans fault for the weapon going off, when it's holster. ( from what I understand the weapon was in its holster when it discharged a round, without the trigger being pulled. ) No weapon should discharge while in its holster, that is inexcusable. Say what you want about the M9, but it was a extremely safe pistol, you could leave the weapon with the safety off, and the hammer cocked to the rear, and it's not going to fire unless you pull that trigger.

The Army really needs to reevaluate their choice in pistols. The M9 was big and heavy, but easy enough to operate. But most of all the M9 was a safe pistol and very reliable.

 

[300_whisper]

I'd like to point out a few things from this statement from Grayguns...
First off, I to was a weapons instructor in the Small Arms Readiness Group (SARG) from 2005 to 2014 and on Active duty 2008 to 2012. Where I literally trained thousands of soldiers in pre mobilization, a required 3 week weapons training, for all soldiers in the following weapons systems, M4, M9, M16, M249, M240B, M2, MK19.

I don't remember a single client unit that had the P320, they all had M9's. So the P320 has been VERY SLOW getting into the inventory of Reserve units, including MP units. Gray Guns even said that he trained hundreds ( not thousands) of troops in the use of the P320/M17. That would make me believe that the rest of the Army has been slow to replace the M9. ( I'm assuming that he was active duty.)

My biggest problem with his statement is that it's somehow the Airmans fault for the weapon going off, when it's holster. ( from what I understand the weapon was in its holster when it discharged a round, without the trigger being pulled. ) No weapon should discharge while in its holster, that is inexcusable. Say what you want about the M9, but it was a extremely safe pistol, you could leave the weapon with the safety off, and the hammer cocked to the rear, and it's not going to fire unless you pull that trigger.

The Army really needs to reevaluate their choice in pistols. The M9 was big and heavy, but easy enough to operate. But most of all the M9 was a safe pistol and very reliable.

I’ve done two ranges with the m17. We shot about 5000 rounds each time through 10 pistols. We didn’t have any issues. It was a reserve unit and some of the soldiers were not comfortable shooting it even after PMI. That was due to firearm familiarity, not from preconceived notions it was a dangerous firearm. So I was at least expecting one ND but we didn’t have any, which is a great thing.

There’s a guy on another firearms forum I’m on who shot himself with a sig. he was being stupid with it since he was trying to get to malfunction while it was loaded. It did malfunction and he shot himself in the hand I believe…he posted a pretty detailed response on what happened.

Anyway, with all the videos and complaints, and to top it off, sigs response, I would not trust one at the moment.

the military should have went with a Glock 19x or the Glock 17. But what do I know?