Sig Carry? Safe or Dangerous?

[ReservoirDawg10]

There have been almost 18,000 unintentional discharges of handguns in the U.S. since 2016. Just over 100 of them have been Sig P320’s. That’s not saying P320’s are “safe” I mean 100 incidents out of 500,000 guns sold is not insignificant, but begs the question: Who made the other 17,900 pistols and what were the circumstances? Were they all committed by lowly civilians? It just seems odd that when a cop or a service member has an unintended discharge, it “must be the gun”…because why? Their inherent firearm expertise? Riiiiiight.

I’m not excusing Sig but this smells a lot like the Glock threads from the 90’s/2000’s in which you couldn’t convince the haters that Glocks were safe or the fanboys that Glocks maybe weren’t quite “perfection”.

Are you a politician? Do you work for sig? That's some great spin using a term like "unintentional discharge" to hide the faults of the 320 platform.

 

[Timber Cruiser]

There have been almost 18,000 unintentional discharges of handguns in the U.S. since 2016. Just over 100 of them have been Sig P320’s. That’s not saying P320’s are “safe” I mean 100 incidents out of 500,000 guns sold is not insignificant, but begs the question: Who made the other 17,900 pistols and what were the circumstances? Were they all committed by lowly civilians? It just seems odd that when a cop or a service member has an unintended discharge, it “must be the gun”…because why? Their inherent firearm expertise? Riiiiiight.

I’m not excusing Sig but this smells a lot like the Glock threads from the 90’s/2000’s in which you couldn’t convince the haters that Glocks were safe or the fanboys that Glocks maybe weren’t quite “perfection”.

Don’t forget that unintentional and uncommanded are 2 very different creatures.

 

[EugenFJR]

There have been almost 18,000 unintentional discharges of handguns in the U.S. since 2016. Just over 100 of them have been Sig P320’s. That’s not saying P320’s are “safe” I mean 100 incidents out of 500,000 guns sold is not insignificant, but begs the question: Who made the other 17,900 pistols and what were the circumstances? Were they all committed by lowly civilians? It just seems odd that when a cop or a service member has an unintended discharge, it “must be the gun”…because why? Their inherent firearm expertise? Riiiiiight.

I’m not excusing Sig but this smells a lot like the Glock threads from the 90’s/2000’s in which you couldn’t convince the haters that Glocks were safe or the fanboys that Glocks maybe weren’t quite “perfection”.

Good luck trying to get a Glock to discharge a round while it's in a Safariland holster, and not pulling on the trigger.

 

[traderSouthga]

Last one.

 

[HeadBone]

I don't care what anyone says, I'm keeping my Sig. Nobody gonna steal it. Ok, I won't carry it, but leave it on the night stand (pointed away from my head).

 

[HeadBone]

I sent my Sig P320 back under their Voluntary Upgrade Program. Got it back and am very happy! Now I can Bump-Fire it!

 

[9eater]

I’ve done two ranges with the m17. We shot about 5000 rounds each time through 10 pistols. We didn’t have any issues. It was a reserve unit and some of the soldiers were not comfortable shooting it even after PMI. That was due to firearm familiarity, not from preconceived notions it was a dangerous firearm. So I was at least expecting one ND but we didn’t have any, which is a great thing.

There’s a guy on another firearms forum I’m on who shot himself with a sig. he was being stupid with it since he was trying to get to malfunction while it was loaded. It did malfunction and he shot himself in the hand I believe…he posted a pretty detailed response on what happened.

Anyway, with all the videos and complaints, and to top it off, sigs response, I would not trust one at the moment.

the military should have went with a Glock 19x or the Glock 17. But what do I know?

Wait he shot himself with it, with a live round in the pipe? To prove it could? OMG wtf lol

 

[300_whisper]

Wait he shot himself with it, with a live round in the pipe? To prove it could? OMG wtf lol

Yeah he was trying to get it to discharge and it wasn’t pointed in a safe direction and he destroyed his hand.

 

[9eater]

Yeah he was trying to get it to discharge and it wasn’t pointed in a safe direction and he destroyed his hand.

At least clear the chamber or or, use snap caps. Hopefully he kept his fingers.

 

[9eater]

I'd like to point out a few things from this statement from Grayguns...
First off, I to was a weapons instructor in the Small Arms Readiness Group (SARG) from 2005 to 2014 and on Active duty 2008 to 2012. Where I literally trained thousands of soldiers in pre mobilization, a required 3 week weapons training, for all soldiers in the following weapons systems, M4, M9, M16, M249, M240B, M2, MK19.

I don't remember a single client unit that had the P320, they all had M9's. So the P320 has been VERY SLOW getting into the inventory of Reserve units, including MP units. Gray Guns even said that he trained hundreds ( not thousands) of troops in the use of the P320/M17. That would make me believe that the rest of the Army has been slow to replace the M9. ( I'm assuming that he was active duty.)

My biggest problem with his statement is that it's somehow the Airmans fault for the weapon going off, when it's holster. ( from what I understand the weapon was in its holster when it discharged a round, without the trigger being pulled. ) No weapon should discharge while in its holster, that is inexcusable. Say what you want about the M9, but it was a extremely safe pistol, you could leave the weapon with the safety off, and the hammer cocked to the rear, and it's not going to fire unless you pull that trigger.

The Army really needs to reevaluate their choice in pistols. The M9 was big and heavy, but easy enough to operate. But most of all the M9 was a safe pistol and very reliable.

The holster is another layer of safety