Are members allowed to post a gun they don't even own?

[JHW]

Yeah. I've been burned 2 times on here. Both new members.

Need to be cautious of new members for sure

 

[albatros43]

If said person is going to fill out a 4473 you could say that he/she is making a straw purchase.

 

[fattboyzz]

Said a new member.

Not new just younger :0)

 

[JDG.]

If said person is going to fill out a 4473 you could say that he/she is making a straw purchase.

A straw purchase would be knowngly filling out the 4473 with the intention of selling to someone who couldnt legal own a weapon.

Sounds awful close to the law about making a living selling items you need a ffl for.

Not really, says they want to trade.

 

[rOmiLaYu]

A straw purchase would be knowngly filling out the 4473 with the intention of selling to someone who couldnt legal own a weapon.

That's changed lately. A few months ago, some guy got popped for buying a Glock 19 for another, legal gun owner.

 

[letusbuyyourcar]

I guess so just kind of rubs me the wrong way

I agree it's kinda dirt baggish. I have posted a few guns I didn't own before for my neighbor but I always made that known and listed his contact info.

 

[JDG.]

atf guidelines: https://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf

15. STRAW PURCHASES Questions have arisen concerning the lawfulness of firearms purchases from licensees by persons who use a "straw purchaser" (another person) to acquire the firearms. Specifically, the actual buyer uses the straw purchaser to execute the Form 4473 purporting to show that the straw purchaser is the actual purchaser of the firearm. In some instances, a straw purchaser is used because the actual purchaser is prohibited from acquiring the firearm. That is to say, the actual purchaser is a felon or is within one of the other prohibited categories of persons who may not lawfully acquire firearms or is a resident of a State other than that in which the licensee's business premises is located. Because of his or her disability, the person uses a straw purchaser who is not prohibited from purchasing a firearm from the licensee. In other instances, neither the straw purchaser nor the actual purchaser is prohibited from acquiring the firearm. In both instances, the straw purchaser violates Federal law by making false statements on Form 4473 to the licensee with respect to the identity of the actual purchaser of the firearm, as well as the actual purchaser's residence address and date of birth. The actual purchaser who utilized the straw purchaser to acquire a firearm has unlawfully aided and abetted or caused the making of the false statements. The licensee selling the firearm under these circumstances also violates Federal law if the licensee is aware of the false statements on the form. It is immaterial that the actual purchaser and the straw purchaser are residents of the State in which the licensee's business premises is located, are not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms, and could have lawfully purchased firearms from the licensee. An example of an illegal straw purchase is as follows: Mr. Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr. Jones the money for the firearm. If Mr. Jones fills out Form 4473, he violates the law by falsely stating that he is the actual buyer of the firearm. Mr. Smith also violates the law because he has unlawfully aided and abetted or caused the making of false statements on the form. Where a person purchases a firearm with the intent of making a gift of the firearm to another person, the person making the purchase is indeed the true purchaser. There is no straw purchaser in these instances. In the above example, if Mr. Jones had bought a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Smith as a birthday present, Mr. Jones could lawfully have completed Form 4473. The use of gift certificates would also not fall within the category of straw purchases. The person redeeming the gift certificate would be the actual purchaser of the firearm and would be properly reflected as such in the dealer's records.

 

[albatros43]

That's changed lately. A few months ago, some guy got popped for buying a Glock 19 for another, legal gun owner.

Agreed. Personally I wouldn't do it as its a gray area at best.

 

[Junior_357]

That's changed lately. A few months ago, some guy got popped for buying a Glock 19 for another, legal gun owner.

Yep...brings into question whether you actually read the 4473 when you fill it out. It has verbiage that you are swearing that you are the actual or permanent owner of the weapon in question. Buying it then selling it immediately to another person, even if not the strictest definition of a straw purchase, is still very shady. Brings into question why the other person did not want to buy it directly...

Just sayin'...

 

[dsp]

A straw purchase would be knowngly filling out the 4473 with the intention of selling to someone who couldnt legal own a weapon.

Is there a timeframe for changing your mind? How that "intent" can be proven is another thing.