Becoming an M&P fan??

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then the PPQ enters and the room goes silent. a voice in the back say "we dont serve your kind here." Confused the PPQ asks" to whom are you speaking?"
"YOU, and your damn fine ergos and trigger out of the box"

PPQ, laughs and orders a round for all the glocks that aspire to be the PPQ.

The PPQ borrows quite a bit from the Glock. I'm glad to see more options such as the PPQ & HK VP9.

I've had a few come through. Not bad guns at all.
I don't particularly care for the mag. release & don't understand why they messed up such a good design by using it.

 

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The PPQ borrows quite a bit from the Glock. I'm glad to see more options such as the PPQ & HK VP9.

I've had a few come through. Not bad guns at all.
I don't particularly care for the mag. release & don't understand why they messed up such a good design by using it.

I haven't seen an M2 which I guess is the one w/ a traditional mag. release?

 

[Cobalt 60]

I haven't seen an M2 which I guess is the one w/ a traditional mag. release?

Yep.

I know a few people with the funky European mag release who say that once they practiced with it, it was easier and quicker than thumb style.

That being said, I stuck with the thumb style.

Trigger is better than any other polymer gun out there, even the ones you guys have spent money on to improve (with the exception of competition set ups like ZEV triggers).

 

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TE="Cobalt 60, post: 4340839, member: 16128"]Yep.

I know a few people with the funky European mag release who say that once they practiced with it, it was easier and quicker than thumb style.

That being said, I stuck with the thumb style.

Trigger is better than any other polymer gun out there, even the ones you guys have spent money on to improve (with the exception of competition set ups like ZEV triggers).[/QUOTE]

I think I have $20 (per gun) in my trigger set-up in my guns & have been pretty happy w/ it (won a few comps. against some accomplished shooters, including a Master class IDPA shooter, running target guns).

We are all fortunate to have options like the M&P, PPQ, VP9, etc. Ones defensive pistol is one of the most important "individualistic" choices to be made in the world of firearms.

I remember (barely) when the choices were roughly 1911, revolver, Browning Hi-Power, Sig P226, Beretta 92, H&K P7, Ruger P85, and maybe a few more.
There are so many options now that it has become bewildering for people new to the pistol world.

Even those who don't like Glocks have to acknowledge that the design was the catalyst that helped rapidly advance the modern defensive pistols available today.

Lots of good choices. Personally I've not found anything more dependable than my Glocks (or I would be carrying it) but it would not surprise me to see it in my lifetime.

 

[Mentos]

P protective measures I am not going to argue the point that glocks are the foundation for modern combat handguns. In fact that world is a better place since the acceptance of them.

In the beginning it was the 1911 that was copied an modified. Then came the hi power.... Now it is the glock. The evolution of pistols is forever changed by each generation of designers and copiers.

Because there are so many options out there, you are going to have the fan boys, the haters, and people who just don't care and will shoot whatever. This is a great thing. Someone somewhere said that there is no such thing as the perfect pistol. If that was the case everyone would have one and there would be no need to discuss which tool is right for the job.

With that being said, that funky European mag release is fantastic for us lefties . I actually miss that style of release. I just wish more companies would offer it as an option or special run pistol. Change is good, get over it...lol

And I had to interject a third option into the mix. Since smith has their place, glock has their place and what about something else that is German?

If I were to go back to poly guns, the smith m&p series would be it. I don't care about how the trigger feels, or the name on the side if the gun... What I do care about is how it feels in my hand. How quickly can I grasp and present. And target shoot for ****s and giggles.

 

[BangBang]

then the PPQ enters and the room goes silent. a voice in the back say "we dont serve your kind here." Confused the PPQ asks" to whom are you speaking?"
"YOU, and your damn fine ergos and trigger out of the box"

PPQ, laughs and orders a round for all the glocks that aspire to be the PPQ.

Let me guess.....

Then PPQ met a smuggler, saved a princess and beat the bad guys.

 

[Mentos]

Let me guess.....

Then PPQ met a smuggler, saved a princess and beat the bad guys.

Na, just got the glocks drunk.




I meant....get outta my head!!

 

[protective measures]

P protective measures I am not going to argue the point that glocks are the foundation for modern combat handguns. In fact that world is a better place since the acceptance of them.

In the beginning it was the 1911 that was copied an modified. Then came the hi power.... Now it is the glock. The evolution of pistols is forever changed by each generation of designers and copiers.

Because there are so many options out there, you are going to have the fan boys, the haters, and people who just don't care and will shoot whatever. This is a great thing. Someone somewhere said that there is no such thing as the perfect pistol. If that was the case everyone would have one and there would be no need to discuss which tool is right for the job.

With that being said, that funky European mag release is fantastic for us lefties . I actually miss that style of release. I just wish more companies would offer it as an option or special run pistol. Change is good, get over it...lol

And I had to interject a third option into the mix. Since smith has their place, glock has their place and what about something else that is German?

If I were to go back to poly guns, the smith m&p series would be it. I don't care about how the trigger feels, or the name on the side if the gun... What I do care about is how it feels in my hand. How quickly can I grasp and present. And target shoot for ****s and giggles.

I have no problem w/ change... or options that WORK better for certain people. If there is one thing I've learned from watching the 1000+ students who have come through my classes is that there is not one perfect pistol for everyone ( which agrees w/ part of your statement above).
However the revolver & the Glock both seem to work for the greatest percentage of people.... mainly due to their simplicity of operation. Imitation is the greatest (or sincerest) form of flattery so it is of great benefit to us all that there are so many designs that borrow from the Glock. The most common comment I hear from those who prefer a different pistol is the "better" grip angle... usually the more "1911ish" feel/ grip of the M&P, XD, etc. vs. the more European "Luger-like" grip of the Glock.
That along w/ not designing the Glock to have a more "1911ish" trigger are the only 2 design changes I wish had been incorporated into the guns design.

However, when I VERY RELUCTANTLY switched over to the Glock from the Sig P226 I had been carrying ('89 or so) , it was because I followed the leaders of the industry at the time (Massad Ayoob, Chuck Taylor, Leroy Thompson, Jan Libourel, etc.) who I figured were much smarter than me & who were mostly switching over from the 1911. Like many in those days, I couldn't stand the Glock.
But it just worked & was simple to use.

It is a great thing for all of us that these new designs are finally becoming more "usable". Some of the clumsy, first attempts such as the Sigma, S&W SW9, & other 1st Gen. polymer pistols from other mfrs. were not even good contenders.
Finally we're getting some really nice designs that, once they establish reliable track records, will be "perfect" for some people.

As I've said before unlike a recreational shooter or even a frequent "weekend" shooter, when you use one in a professional capacity on a regular weekly (& sometimes daily) basis you place a HIGH, HIGH value on reliability. Its gives you a TOTALLY different perspective.
My gun HAS to work. I have enough to worry about w/o "fighting" w/ my gun. Also shooting tens of thousands of rounds per year vs. a few hundred or so a month plus watching others shoot even more gives you a very broad database to draw conclusions from.

That is why the majority of those in the training community prefer the Glock. People paying you for your time DO NOT want you screwing around w/ your gun instead of focusing on them & their needs.

Are there examples of very reliable guns other than Glock? Sure.... but day in, day out I've not found anything else that is MORE reliable or better overall... YET

 

[Rusty S.]

 

[Rbs]

M&P's are alright. Training is frustrating with them since I have to manually induce malfunctions since it wont act up on its own.

1400+ rounds and counting..