Commercial Flight Collides with Helicopter Over Potomac

[keith089]

Complacency crossed my mind. I got out right as I was passing in to the complacency zone. It doesn’t matter they are all gone now. Damn dude 4700 flight hours in Helo’s you’re lucky to be alive. Can you sleep at night without someone shaking your bed and howling in your ear.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Not all on Rotors, C5,C141, Safety ,MC 130, KC10, c17, B1B, Rescue,CC,FE back to CC and the Flight chief.
If I’m being banged around with noise,I sleep like a baby.
If I hear a cricket,that keeps me awake

Most Aircraft lost prior to around 05, was due to CFIT, controlled flight into terain, this is the same.
Around 95ish Most AC were equipped TCAS,GPWS Or PWIS. cfit dropped exponentially. Went from around 80 percent to about 10. Cockpits went sterile, no crapExcept Pro Gear. I never see that fly in the Air Force. When i retired there was no smart phones,gameboys and **** like that. We had book and magazines

 

[Edog537]

Not all on Rotors, C5,C141, Safety ,MC 130, KC10, Rescue,CC,FE back to CC and the Flight chief.
If I’m being banged around with noise,I sleep like a baby.
If I hear a cricket,that keeps me awake

Most Aircraft lost prior to around 05, was due to CFIT, controlled flight into terain, this is the same.
Around 95ish Most AC were equipped TCAS, Or PWIS. cfit dropped exponentially. Went from around 80 percent to about 10. Cockpits went sterile, no crapExcept Pro Gear. I never see that fly in the Air Force. When i retired there was no smart phones,gameboys and **** like that. We had book and magazines

I was all rotary wing. I sat between the 2 dummies most of the time to keep them from killing us.

An MC130 guy taught me how to sail a boat. I am a sailor. LOL. I called him Captain Steve. I can’t remember his last name he was originally from Long Island, NY

 

[keith089]

I don’t know him, I also don’t no **** about boats ,unless you count a cruise ship

 

[keith089]

I was all rotary wing. I sat between the 2 dummies most of the time to keep them from killing us.

An MC130 guy taught me how to sail a boat. I am a sailor. LOL. I called him Captain Steve. I can’t remember his last name he was originally from Long Island, NY

Navy?

 

[Edog537]

Navy?

Yes. HC-4 out of Sigonella, Sicily CH-53E- leaky loud flying dump trucks that flew like a corvette.

 

[thevalueman]

from X
Spoke to someone who served in the same unit as the Army Black Hawk crew, knew them personally, and flew those routes. He made the following points:1) That it was a training flight was not unusual at all. Those flights are flown everyday.2) The co-pilot was going through her annual evaluation for night flying. Night vision goggles can magnify light, making it easier to confuse aircraft lights with ground lights.3) Runway 33 -- where Air Traffic Control told the passenger jet (CRJ) to land -- is "rarely used." This person said in his four years, he saw it being used 10 times. It is a much shorter runway than the main one used, which is Runway 1.4) The Black Hawk appeared to confuse the passenger jet with another plane landing at Runway 1 — which is why the pilot-in-command confirmed seeing the CRJ and requesting “visual separation,” or essentially saying he would avoid it.5) The CRJ was circling to land and making a left turn at the time. The Black Hawk was in its blind spot.6) The crew was experienced: The instructor pilot had just under 1,000 flying hours. He was former Navy. The co-pilot had around 500 hours, and the crew chief — who served on multiple combat tours — around 1,000 hours. They flew these same routes for at least three years.7) It was not unusual to have three crew members on a Black Hawk. There’s only four for certain mission sets. Whether the crew chief saw the CRJ would have depended on which side he was sitting on.8) It was a dark night, with no moon.9) Air Traffic Control could have told the Black Hawk to hold north, or diverted it.10) Potential changes could be to change the route, altitude, or hours during heavy air traffic.“All these things, they all made for the perfect storm.”

 

[Edog537]

from X
Spoke to someone who served in the same unit as the Army Black Hawk crew, knew them personally, and flew those routes. He made the following points:1) That it was a training flight was not unusual at all. Those flights are flown everyday.2) The co-pilot was going through her annual evaluation for night flying. Night vision goggles can magnify light, making it easier to confuse aircraft lights with ground lights.3) Runway 33 -- where Air Traffic Control told the passenger jet (CRJ) to land -- is "rarely used." This person said in his four years, he saw it being used 10 times. It is a much shorter runway than the main one used, which is Runway 1.4) The Black Hawk appeared to confuse the passenger jet with another plane landing at Runway 1 — which is why the pilot-in-command confirmed seeing the CRJ and requesting “visual separation,” or essentially saying he would avoid it.5) The CRJ was circling to land and making a left turn at the time. The Black Hawk was in its blind spot.6) The crew was experienced: The instructor pilot had just under 1,000 flying hours. He was former Navy. The co-pilot had around 500 hours, and the crew chief — who served on multiple combat tours — around 1,000 hours. They flew these same routes for at least three years.7) It was not unusual to have three crew members on a Black Hawk. There’s only four for certain mission sets. Whether the crew chief saw the CRJ would have depended on which side he was sitting on.8) It was a dark night, with no moon.9) Air Traffic Control could have told the Black Hawk to hold north, or diverted it.10) Potential changes could be to change the route, altitude, or hours during heavy air traffic.“All these things, they all made for the perfect storm.”

Classic profile of a complacent flight crew. No shade, it is a highly discussed issue all the time.

 

[Edog537]

That crew chief at 1,000 hours is a tired salty dude. Sounds like the same for the PIC. It’s a dangerous job at all times.

 

[KitCarson]

Old aerospace saying - it takes thousands of people to put an aircraft in the air. Any one of them can bring it down.

 

[CQB27]

Anyone else here ever even been in a Helo, chopper, helicopter as part of the flight crew?

Someone said something about ATC being responsible for spacing is 💯 wrong. The Helo is flying VFR not on goggles or IFR. When you are in VFR flight rules you are responsible for your spacing. Tower simply has to tell you where it’s at.

Read this slowly. They make have acknowledged the CRJ - they never actually saw it.

Again ATC doesn’t fly your aircraft or die when you make a mistake.

I have as Pilot in Command & Air Mission Commander (formation flight) flying night unaided, with NODs VMC & IMC. Most of the speculation in this thread will turn out to be nonsense, including "Pilot on the stick would be glued to the gauges" on a night VFR flight.