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[Bulldawg165]

I personally don't have an opinion on folks doing this one way or the other. But I do recognize the free enterprise system at work when I see it, and I'm in favor of capitalism over regulation. As a rule, free markets will regulate themselves.

I'm not going to argue on the tax fraud portion of it.

However, it's not capitalism when someone is intentionally eliminating other suppliers (via buying all of their inventory in this instance). That my friend is a monopoly which is illegal. (Yes, before you go down that road, I understand that there actually are other places to get ammo, blah blah blah. I just wanted to make it clear that the "capitalism" argument is BS and doesn't really apply to the specific situation of someone buying all of the ammo from wal mart so nobody else can, and then re-selling on here for a 200% mark up)

You're still welcome to do it but I'm also welcome to call you a douche bag and refuse to do future business with you for it

 

[svsboris]

if only it was that simple

 

[graybeard]

I'm not going to argue on the tax fraud portion of it.

However, it's not capitalism when someone is intentionally eliminating other suppliers (via buying all of their inventory in this instance). That my friend is a monopoly which is illegal. (Yes, before you go down that road, I understand that there actually are other places to get ammo, blah blah blah. I just wanted to make it clear that the "capitalism" argument is BS and doesn't really apply to the specific situation of someone buying all of the ammo from wal mart so nobody else can, and then re-selling on here for a 200% mark up)

You're still welcome to do it but I'm also welcome to call you a douche bag and refuse to do future business with you for it

For the record I have no interest in doing it. Never had, never will. I'm far too lazy to go to that much trouble to pick up a buck or two.

I just refuse to condemn anyone else for doing it if they're so motivated.

Why? Because I don't have to buy it from them! All they're doing is perhaps making me get off my ass and beat them at their own game if I want some at the same price they paid. But as I said, I'm way too lazy for that...

 

[mirage243]

One of my neighbors rode by on his four wheeler Sunday afternoon 'cause he heard my daughters shootin' their 22's, he asked me where I was able to find 22's, I said, "from my basement, duh?" he said, "seriously, where did you find 'em?" I said, "sh*t, I don't remember, I've had 'em for years",.......I looked on the brick I had opened for my girls and the sticker said $12.95. Some of us were smart enough to buy 'em years ago, the ones that didn't just ***** about the price.

 

[zesty]

And reselling for profit "outside the system" doesn't harm the market-it is the market.

Here's how I think it harms the market:
Guy#1: Goes to Walmart and happens to see 22LR even though he doesn't plan to shoot it. He buys all he can and lists it for 200% profit.
Guy#2: Goes to Walmart to get some 22LR to shoot with his son and miraculously finds just 3 boxes there. He buys all he can since he doesn't know when there will be more.
Guy#3: Goes to Walmart and there's no 22LR to shoot with his daughter. He goes to ODT and buys it.
Guy#3: Goes to Walmart again and happens to see 22LR. He buys all he can because he doesn't want to get screwed again even though it'll be years before he shoots these 1500 rounds.
Guy #1: Goes back to Walmart again, buys more 22LR, and creates more guys like #2 and #3.

It's a vicious cycle. The scarcity is false because if #1 didn't exist, #2 and #3 wouldn't have bought as much. This example is far from perfect, I know. Setting up a tax number and accounting for the sales like a business would make it less desirable, but that's one reason why you're supposed to do it. One point of the tax system is to make being an ass less attractive.

Capitalism without regulation is a Laissez-faire economy. No thanks. I'm sporting a Libertarian avatar right now, so I get the whole "leave me alone, Government" idea. Some policies are around for a reason though.

Enough with the "you're just *****ing about the price" stuff. I know this is a long thread, but that's been covered.

 

[Bulldawg165]

One of my neighbors rode by on his four wheeler Sunday afternoon 'cause he heard my daughters shootin' their 22's, he asked me where I was able to find 22's, I said, "from my basement, duh?" he said, "seriously, where did you find 'em?" I said, "sh*t, I don't remember, I've had 'em for years",.......I looked on the brick I had opened for my girls and the sticker said $12.95. Some of us were smart enough to buy 'em years ago, the ones that didn't just ***** about the price.

Thanks for adding nothing to the thread except your condescending arrogance

 

[Bulldawg165]

Here's how I think it harms the market:
Guy#1: Goes to Walmart and happens to see 22LR even though he doesn't plan to shoot it. He buys all he can and lists it for 200% profit.
Guy#2: Goes to Walmart to get some 22LR to shoot with his son and miraculously finds just 3 boxes there. He buys all he can since he doesn't know when there will be more.
Guy#3: Goes to Walmart and there's no 22LR to shoot with his daughter. He goes to ODT and buys it.
Guy#3: Goes to Walmart again and happens to see 22LR. He buys all he can because he doesn't want to get screwed again even though it'll be years before he shoots these 1500 rounds.
Guy #1: Goes back to Walmart again, buys more 22LR, and creates more guys like #2 and #3.

It's a vicious cycle. The scarcity is false because if #1 didn't exist, #2 and #3 wouldn't have bought as much. This example is far from perfect, I know. Setting up a tax number and accounting for the sales like a business would make it less desirable, but that's one reason why you're supposed to do it. One point of the tax system is to make being an ass less attractive.

Capitalism without regulation is a Laissez-faire economy. No thanks. I'm sporting a Libertarian avatar right now, so I get the whole "leave me alone, Government" idea. Some policies are around for a reason though.

Enough with the "you're just *****ing about the price" stuff. I know this is a long thread, but that's been covered.

This fully covers the ENTIRE issue and puts to words the thought that is many people's mind. Without Guy #1 there would be no ammo shortage. Period. Guy #1 is a douche.

Good job

 

[Survivor Johnny]

i'm gonna have to hook a compressor up to my 10/22 soon so i can shoot 22 pellets if the walmart doesnt get ammo soon

 

[graybeard]

Here's how I think it harms the market:
Guy#1: Goes to Walmart and happens to see 22LR even though he doesn't plan to shoot it. He buys all he can and lists it for 200% profit.
Guy#2: Goes to Walmart to get some 22LR to shoot with his son and miraculously finds just 3 boxes there. He buys all he can since he doesn't know when there will be more.
Guy#3: Goes to Walmart and there's no 22LR to shoot with his daughter. He goes to ODT and buys it.
Guy#3: Goes to Walmart again and happens to see 22LR. He buys all he can because he doesn't want to get screwed again even though it'll be years before he shoots these 1500 rounds.
Guy #1: Goes back to Walmart again, buys more 22LR, and creates more guys like #2 and #3.

It's a vicious cycle. The scarcity is false because if #1 didn't exist, #2 and #3 wouldn't have bought as much. This example is far from perfect, I know. Setting up a tax number and accounting for the sales like a business would make it less desirable, but that's one reason why you're supposed to do it. One point of the tax system is to make being an ass less attractive.

Capitalism without regulation is a Laissez-faire economy. No thanks. I'm sporting a Libertarian avatar right now, so I get the whole "leave me alone, Government" idea. Some policies are around for a reason though.

Enough with the "you're just *****ing about the price" stuff. I know this is a long thread, but that's been covered.

The scarcity isn't false at all, in fact it's very real.

It wasn't created by people either over buying or profiteering. It was created by panic response, and I trust that needs no explanation. Over buying and profiteering are actually a response to the scarcity, not a cause of it.

Put the blame where it should lie: all the circumstances that created the panic to start with. I don't see blaming people who are just reacting to it.

 

[zesty]

This fully covers the ENTIRE issue and puts to words the thought that is many people's mind. Without Guy #1 there would be no ammo shortage. Period. Guy #1 is a douche.

Good job

Thanks. Great posts yourself also
I don't think that Guy#1 is the whole problem. I know he's not the cause of it. He is definitely prolonging it though. He's absolutely a douche. A panic is a response to a perceived problem. Perpetually empty shelves are caused in part by resellers and those empty shelves prolong the panic.

I used the Dad example because there's been a few ODT Dad's that have posted about looking for ammo to shoot with their kids. I could have used soldiers looking for PMAGs also. These aren't guys that were just too dumb to prepare.