Gentlemen, I'm afraid the time is near. We all have a decision to make...

[Patronus]

By the way...do we all know that obama has re-dubbed assautl weapons? Apparently that term is no longer scarey enough. Now AR15s are "weapons of war".

 

[Constitution Hour]

Governments are weapons of war, History is on my side in this one.

 

[Patronus]

Governments are weapons of war, History is on my side in this one.

But I think the future is on THIERS.

 

[Thunderhorse1971]

I'm just a simple voice but I believe we are facing extraordinary times. I pray that we stand united in freedom instead of debating over exactly what the second amendment means exactly. In my opinion, the only moral role of government is to protect liberty, freedom and person from theft, harm or fraud. All else that government does is theft or slavery. There's nowhere else left to run folks. This is the last place on earth where freedom exists and it's disappearing fast.

I urge those that read this to unite and stand together. To be effective, we need to draw a line in the sand together, as free men.

 

[Bear44]

ok..my apologies..i was simply trying to remind the often forgotten part of the amendment.."To maintain a militia"..The right to keep and bear"..may not be gauranteed,as so many seem to beleive it is.

I am a gun owner..but this op post seems a bit "frenzy"..saying "The time is near".."and we have a decision to make"..

I went to the gunshow today and people were buying guns and i went to walmart and people were buying ammo.
The more like radical extremist gun nuts we appear by making statements about "drawing lines in the sand " and revolution discussion people makes gun ownership seems more.more radical.

Then our Founding Fathers were radicals and predisposed all Americans to become so when our freedoms are threatened. THIS is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. I do not believe for one moment that any of the men that wrote and signed the Constitution would approve of what has and is happening in America today. Also, the clear willingness to utilize the tools that have been given us by the Constitution to protect the Constitution is an important factor in trying to avoid using that force. If the would-be tyrants KNOW we will stand out ground they may take pause before doing something illegal and unconstitutional. Ultimately WE are the government and WE wield the power to enforce our will to live by the Constitution. Be that will expressed by our vote or our violence as the situation calls for.

You are also utterly wrong in the belief that the phrasing of the 2nd Amendment in any way curtails an individual's right to keep and bear arms. Read the other writings of our Founding Fathers and that is indisputably clear.

 

[Springfield 1911]

I'm just a simple voice but I believe we are facing extraordinary times. I pray that we stand united in freedom instead of debating over exactly what the second amendment means exactly. In my opinion, the only moral role of government is to protect liberty, freedom and person from theft, harm or fraud. All else that government does is theft or slavery. There's nowhere else left to run folks. This is the last place on earth where freedom exists and it's disappearing fast.

I urge those that read this to unite and stand together. To be effective, we need to draw a line in the sand together, as free men.

Yup friend request sent.

 

[trckdrvr]

No problems brother. I understand how the first part of the amendment has led many a confused argument but it does not negate the second part. In fact it is supposed to be a strengthener. Kinda like "Yep, we sure do need a militia but that don't mean you can mess with folks's gun". Many will say that it means that the peoples whose right shall not be infringed ARE that militia. Maybe so. ither way, the guns are off limits for the grabbers. Period.


And yeah, the undercurrent of panic you see in the frenzied buying is very real. The left never stops trying. They will do anything and everything..except quit. They see an opportunity lilke the Aurora shooting and the Newtown murders and they just drool. They think they have the wedge to FINALLY pass huge legislation. But every day, under the cover of secrecy, they are always working to take small steps in the same direction.

Surely you don't want guns in the hands of crazy people....we NEED a background check to make sure thos ecrazy people don't buy guns.
Nobody NEEDS a fully automatic weapon... We need to make them illegal to own.
You don't need a weapon that looks like a military weapon, even semiauto. We need to ban evil assault weapons.
Surely there's nothing wrong with marking ammunition so we can track criminals...we need micro-stamping.
A tax on amunition will help fund the agencies that keep our children safe and reduce the ability of criminals to get ammunition.
This UN treaty is only to reduce the transfer of guns to dangerous people. It won't affect YOUR guns.
Who really NEEDS 30 rounds in a magazine? We NEED to pass a law limiting the capacity of magazines

Are you starting to see a trend yet?

So, a little panic is understandable. There are only two ways to win...attrition(which is their game) or revolt. And we lack the cohesion and moral courage as a group to follow in the footsteps of our forefathers. If Patrick Henry lived today he would have said "Give me liberty...please".

I appreciate your reply is not angry but more in the mindframe of a discussion..in that mindset..i ask..if all we had was a 6shooter revolver on your hip and a lever action rifle on your saddle..would you/us..would we all be SO underarmed?
If it was enough for John Wayne and the old west and it was enough for the hunters to hunt and for homeowners to defend their homes and ranchers to patrol...Would it be so unbearable?................i mean.In my mind or opinion,i could live with it,i just encourage everyone to calm down(and turn off the Fox news.LOL

 

[Patronus]

I'm just a simple voice but I believe we are facing extraordinary times. I pray that we stand united in freedom instead of debating over exactly what the second amendment means exactly. In my opinion, the only moral role of government is to protect liberty, freedom and person from theft, harm or fraud. All else that government does is theft or slavery. There's nowhere else left to run folks. This is the last place on earth where freedom exists and it's disappearing fast.

I urge those that read this to unite and stand together. To be effective, we need to draw a line in the sand together, as free men.

we band of brothers. For he today that sheds his blood with me, Shall be my brother

William Shakespeare

 

[Bear44]

I'm starting to think that Group4 or something like it (all ODT members, friends, and relatives invited) needs to start the process of becoming a serious reality. This is not a joke. PM me if you're interested.

 

[Bear44]

I appreciate your reply is not angry but more in the mindframe of a discussion..in that mindset..i ask..if all we had was a 6shooter revolver on your hip and a lever action rifle on your saddle..would you/us..would we all be SO underarmed?
If it was enough for John Wayne and the old west and it was enough for the hunters to hunt and for homeowners to defend their homes and ranchers to patrol...Would it be so unbearable?................i mean.In my mind or opinion,i could live with it,i just encourage everyone to calm down(and turn off the Fox news.LOL

You really don't understand the purpose of the 2nd Amendment do you? John Wayne???!!! Give me a break!

Folks, is it possible we are dealing with a left wing, anti-2nd troll here?

Edit: OK, I just read several of your started threads and I retract the above statement about you being a lib troll, but come on man, you have got to get a better understanding about what the 2nd is meant for.