I own 3 590A1's. i only like one that i use slugs on with ghost rings. For home defense or " Tactical " bead sights work best for me. they are a more natural point and shoot sighting system. When you are in a situation where you need to make a quick shot with an open sight picture, you dont want all that metal in your sight plane.
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Ghost ring or bead sight?
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If you plan on using slugs by all mean go with the ghost rings, if you are planning on running a flavor of buckshot save the money and go with the bead sight. I would honestly going with bead sights regardless, even at distance with some practice hitting a target, even a small moving target can be done proficiency, if you practice. At close range you aren't likely going to be using the sights as much as shooting instinctively anyway, reading point shooting, which is easy with practice out to about 25 meters with practice on a human sized target with a long gun.
i have one with ghost rings and it shoots well, but takes practice, especially getting on a moving target. i find myself looking over the ring and using the front post like a bead on close targets
Ghost ring all the way. The key is to shoot with both eyes open. Then there is no real issue with blocking the target, they are just as fast and more accurate. When you are using a shotgun for defense you should not shoot it like a field gun. Shoot it like a carbine. If you do it right, everything is different. The way you move, your stance and shoot it should actually be very similar to a CQB carbine and pistol. You should be able to have all three on a table in front of you, get a good stance with your handgun and with no change, be able to place the handgun on the table and pick up either the carbine or shotgun and mount them with no change other than hand position. This requires you to put the butt higher and closer to your center line and feels strange when you first do it, but you will find that it is much faster and gives you more freedom of movement in a tactical situation. Field guns are meant to be shot from a stationary position. You need to be able to shoot and move at the same time for self defense. I'll try to find some pics or a vid that shows what I'm talking about and post it.
This is WRONG.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13vflassa&sigi=12c9839g8&.crumb=.WiJpgEhUkh
This is better, but the stock is to low on his shoulder.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13vflassa&sigi=11h4eg1n1&.crumb=.WiJpgEhUkh
Even better, but still to low.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=140029n9s&sigi=13e1gsu87&.crumb=.WiJpgEhUkh
This is it. Note how high the stock is on his shoulder. Other parts of his stance are a little funky, but it does show proper mount.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=140029n9s&sigi=12bq6kmaq&.crumb=.WiJpgEhUkh
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13vflassa&sigi=12c9839g8&.crumb=.WiJpgEhUkh
This is better, but the stock is to low on his shoulder.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13vflassa&sigi=11h4eg1n1&.crumb=.WiJpgEhUkh
Even better, but still to low.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=140029n9s&sigi=13e1gsu87&.crumb=.WiJpgEhUkh
This is it. Note how high the stock is on his shoulder. Other parts of his stance are a little funky, but it does show proper mount.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=140029n9s&sigi=12bq6kmaq&.crumb=.WiJpgEhUkh
I agree that the bead sight is faster and I really like the truglo fiber optics. very tough and bright and can put slugs on a paper plate at 50 yards. IMHO
Bead, simply because that is what I have trained with for the past 15 years on the shotgun. I had a shotgun with the ghost, shot it just as well, but seem just a little much for a scatter gun.
I agree that the bead sight is faster and I really like the truglo fiber optics. very tough and bright and can put slugs on a paper plate at 50 yards. IMHO
I dig that^^^ might get a set for my mossy 500A
This is better, but the stock is to low on his shoulder.
Whats he shooting? Looks like a home brew 249.
A rifle stance is not a one size fits all and you can not really use it for a shotgun effectively. The recoil from a 12ga is far greater then the 5.56 or 7.62 rounds you see in tactical rifles. This changes the dynamics of working stance dramatically. You should not be bladed when shooting a shotgun for two reasons. One you don't want to expose yourself to the weakest part of your armor if you are wearing armor and two recoil travels the path of least resistance. When you blade all you have controlling the recoil of the shotgun is the rotator cuff of your shooting shoulder. Your muzzle climb is going to be higher, your follow up shots slower and you are going to "feel" each shot harder. If you go to just about any tactical shotgun course in the country the first thing you learn is to "square up on the gun". This is why a short LOP stock is critical. This is also why just about all of my stocks on my shotguns are Speedfeed IV-S, Mesa Urbino or a Houge sort LOP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopXTq3ODY4
even better explanation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9BscnJAsM&feature=related
When I choose sights I really look at what I plan on using the gun for. Ghost ring sights are slower. Even with an assload of training you will find that over time you are still considerably slower with ghost ring sights. For HD/CQC speed is crucial. Here the bead is king. With a bead you are pulling and snap shooting with nothing obstructing your sight picture. To increase your beads effectiveness you can replace it with an XS front sight. Which is just a bigger "bead" that has a white outline with a Tijicon tritium insert for night time. Perfect for HD. If you want the best of both worlds and the ability to shoot slugs accurately as well as still be pretty quick indoors I suggest you look into rifle sights. You can get an XS sight upgrade for those too. Rifle sights are faster than ghost ring sights and still give you the long range accuracy for slugs. IMO they are the happy go between the two choices bead-ghost ring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdW2TAfN3mQ
