OK so I should have know better but I thought I would give it another try its been years since I last tried them. I got a box of Tula ammo 9mm 50 rounds for about $8. Out of the 50 rounds 15 failed to fire from hitting the primer. The others where shooting sparks out of them so badly the range officer thought i was going to burn down the range. Garbage ammo! I dont think I would shoot them again even if they were free.