Really? I guess you didn't read who I spoke to yesterday. Ok, be my guest an push a little hard. You will be dragged into federal court and good lawyers are expensive even if you have a solid case.
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Really? I guess you didn't read who I spoke to yesterday. Ok, be my guest an push a little hard. You will be dragged into federal court and good lawyers are expensive even if you have a solid case.
This.
You would have to have your head completely in the sand to deny that there are lots of folks pushing (to the point of breaking) the limits. Only reason BATF doesn't do more prosecutions right now is lack of manpower. Obummer is not addressing that issue at all.
I still predict that BATF will stage a few show trials in safe jurisdictions just to scare the rest of us folks. That the basic SOP for IRS. Not exactly a new idea.
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Obama's royal decree is to also add another 200+ ATF agents to investigate and prosecute this stuff.
I am pretty sure that a lot of them will be sitting in front of computer screens, looking for these types of forums, and data mining for "violations"...
Also consider that if they decide to make an example of someone who trades or sells 5 guns per month, claiming that they are a "dealer", there might also be IRS hassles to deal with in association with that... I mean, if you are deemed to be "running a business", then you need to be filing tax forms for that business, no?
The wording is vague enough that this could open all sorts of cans of worms...
I am pretty sure that a lot of them will be sitting in front of computer screens, looking for these types of forums, and data mining for "violations"...
Also consider that if they decide to make an example of someone who trades or sells 5 guns per month, claiming that they are a "dealer", there might also be IRS hassles to deal with in association with that... I mean, if you are deemed to be "running a business", then you need to be filing tax forms for that business, no?
The wording is vague enough that this could open all sorts of cans of worms...
It would be up to the individual to show that he didn't not earn any money.
One of the reasons I rarely sell for cash. I prefer to trade!
Really? Doesn't the court have to prove guilt?
In America, yes. Under this regime... your mileage may vary...
It's even possible to make a profit so long as your intent is to improve your collection. It's all about 'intent', which is subjective I suppose.
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I don't know about a national registry right now, but the gist of what you say is right on, I think. For the extreme anti-2A people, confiscation is what they want. That's not what most of America wants right now, so most pro-2A people are fine with 100% background checks. Background checks are just the start of the slippery slope to confiscation. Confiscation is impossible without registration. Registration is impossible without recorded transfers. Whether the records are kept now or not, background checks are the vehicle by which they could be recorded.
The slope is real. England had a right to bear arms.
http://www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html
"The Recorder of London, the equivalent of a modern-day city's general counsel, gave this opinion in 1780: The right of his majesty's Protestant subjects, to have arms for their own defense, and to use them for lawful purposes, is most clear and undeniable..."
Maybe it will be 100 years or more before a confiscation happens. It won't happen to nearly the same extent if undocumented transfers remain legal.
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