Knife vs Handgun... What would you do???

[js415]

Don't forget not my boat and I wasn't in charge of the boat... And my dad was the one having the words with him... All I told him was to please cool the mouth off... I was standing in the floor behind my dad who was running the trolling motor a foot and a half below him.. I didn't aggress anyone... Imagine trolling towards a dock dads on front running the trolling motor and I am behind him and my kids are all the way in that back 19 feet from my dad... I wasn't protecting my dad I was in between my kids and the drunk... my dad happened to be the one wanting to fight not me..... The only way I could have got away would have been to swim and leave the kids... thats not an option...

OK, I may have missed this part, and am not going to go back and check right now, but I have a better understanding of who was where in the boat, and more importantly, who was controlling everyone's actions.

The smart thing would have been to tell your dad to just turn around and go, and let it be, before he involves your grandkids in something that might turn ugly. THAT BEING SAID....
I can imagine me trying to tell my 75 year old dad, to stop doing what he was doing if somebody was being an A** in front of his #1 granddaughter!!!!!

I understand why you chose the actions you did, and am glad it worked out. Try to tell dad to cool off and not get in trouble when his grandkids are around....good luck with that!!!

Thanks for the conversation and debate...good to talk to you.

Jerry

 

[jjasonbbo1]

I am really enjoying this one... I hate that I had to be the one in the situation to be able to post this though.. But I agree I am very thankful that everybody was yes sirring when it was all over with....

The smart thing would have been to tell your dad to just turn around and go, and let it be, before he involves your grandkids in something that might turn ugly. THAT BEING SAID....
I can imagine me trying to tell my 75 year old dad, to stop doing what he was doing if somebody was being an A** in front of his #1 granddaughter!!!!!

I understand why you chose the actions you did, and am glad it worked out. Try to tell dad to cool off and not get in trouble when his grandkids are around....good luck with that!!!

Sounds like you know him?? lol .... I know my daddy pretty good and we have been in tight places before (nothing like this) and was told to shut up while he continued...lol...

Do you feel that you were the aggressor or was he? Also, was his kid in any danger?

No I do not feel like I personally was the aggressor. Drunk started it and my dad went along into it. Was his kid in danger?? The blade was inside three feet of the boy and the drunk was moving around with it and moving it around so I would most definitely say the drunks kids was in danger... From My stand point me and my 2 kids (and the kid on the dock) were all the victims of a drunk and a midlife ego trip..... And I protected us....

All of you that have a sidearm on your hip when you walk out the door put yourself in MY shoes and tell me the firearm wouldn't have come into play in any shape form or fashion... Whether verbal or visually... Chew on that for a minute....

Like I said before the only thing I would do different if ever in the same situation would be to pull my shirt up over the gun and unsnap in a very visual way so the perp realizes that he is out gunned with only a knife in his hands....

And just to let everybody know that keeps throwing the "brandish" word in the mix... I would Never aim a gun at anyone unless I was under attack or my family and I fully intended on using it...

 

[Patronus]

Let's try this backwards and see where the root is:

You pulled your gun out and the guy calmed down. ---- after your father's agressive display in approaching him, the drunk was further threatened by your display of a firearm. You bet he calmed down, he was probably wondering whether you or your father was going to shoot him or what. He already had been all but attacked by your father and had seen you pull out your gun.

He pulled his knife out endangering his son "The blade was inside three feet of the boy" ----- You had a loaded gun out on a MOVING BOAT within (probably) three feet of YOUR kids and if you had aimed it at the drunk from a MOVING BOAT(Last time I was on a MOVING BOAT it went UP and down and ROckeD BacK ANd foRTh) you would, by your own estimate been pointing it at a target within three feet of the drunk's son..and, incidently, past your father who by your description was between you and the drunk. Aren't you glad you didn't endanger your father and the innocent boy?

"Well my dad is a little bit of a hot head when it comes to crazy people like this so when the man told my dad he could (Kiss his Hiney) My dad said.. ok... lets go.... so here we go pullin up the anchor to go over there" ----- Agressive decision based on not liking someones attitude, not based on real or perceived threat. Your father was, simply put, acting agressively.

"We catch a few and the guy was just bad mouthin his kid and cussin like a sailor"..."This poor drunk redneck went off tellin us how he owns this dock and blah blah" --- Not a threat, no actionable activity.

You start fishing "We anchor up (a good ways away from them)" --- Well out of harms way of a knife(not that the drunk had drawn the knife at this time.

Gee forwards or backwards your father made the first agressive move. The drunk showed poor judgement and great stupidity but he threatened no one until he responded to your fathers agressive approach(which by the way could have been aborted simply by turning the boat, since boats move much more quickly through the water than DOCKS) Also, if your father was 19 feet from you and your kids, where was the steering wheel of the boat? Seems to me the gun would be second choice for idle hands when the wheel of the boat lay close by. This is just speculation though.

I'm going to agree with the Cop, your party was the agresssor party. The guy may even have been tresspassing but a concealed carry permit is NOT A BADGE. Call the law.

Ballplayer...WOW..your attitude towards LE is appalling especially from someone who carries a gun and expects his constitutional rights to be protected. I'm no cop but I respect and appreciate the hard, thankless job they do.

And no, a guy on a dock pulling a knife when being approached by a guy in a boat acting agressively is NOT a threat, it's self defense.

 

[jeffk14]

For those of you who fail to realize that Party A (Jason and family) were the aggressors against Party B (drunk dude), that is THE first thing LE looks at in this type of situation, aggression. Sure, a good bit of us (me included) would have wanted to puff up and "deal" with it out of frustration, but when weapons come into play, it is imperative that pride doesn't. Hate to call it like it is. I'm sure Jason is a great guy and it all turned out well, but he did ask "what would you do".

I agree. No gun pulled. I would have brandished my cell phone and reported the drunk redneck behaving erratically and shouting threats. Would have also weighed anchor and found another place to fish out of earshot of the idiot. Would have also called the buddy who owns the dock and let him know he had a trespasser. Then I'd give my child a Ward Cleaver type lesson on how there are just some pretty sorry people in this world.

That's what I'd do now at age 49. 20 years ago, it might have been a different story. I've mellowed some with age.

 

[Patronus]

Well Sed Jeff

 

[Bass Akwards]

I would have called the law, that guy was breaking the law by public druck, public drunk while in care of a minor and cussing at at minor and its the laws job to enforce the law. He was well on his way to jail, did he drive there and was gonna drive home with his kid? Child endangerment!!! Now if the law didnt show, I would have called in a more serious call to get them there, but also kept the guy provoked so the law could catch him in the act, most cell phones have video recorders also. I feel sorry for his kid to have to have a piece of **** dad like that. While being arrested I would have given him a smile and wink as me and my family kept fishing

 

[drtybykr]

my pistol stays holstered until I am ready to shoot. If it comes out of the holster, it goes bang. In my opinion, you were the aggressor by drawing, and approaching the dock.

 

[jjasonbbo1]

I would have called the law, that guy was breaking the law by public druck, public drunk while in care of a minor and cussing at at minor and its the laws job to enforce the law. He was well on his way to jail, did he drive there and was gonna drive home with his kid? Child endangerment!!! Now if the law didnt show, I would have called in a more serious call to get them there, but also kept the guy provoked so the law could catch him in the act, most cell phones have video recorders also. I feel sorry for his kid to have to have a piece of **** dad like that. While being arrested I would have given him a smile and wink as me and my family kept fishing

Funny you say that about the video camera... I was fishing at the Lock and Dam on the coosa with my dad one time a few years ago and this time we were definitely not he aggressor.. Crazy foreign guy puts his pontoon in the water gets his wife and another couple takes off STRAIGHT for us..... gets right up on us and my dad just whistled and told him to watch out cause the idiot almost hit us... This dude FREAKS out and shoots all the gas he had to it and started circling us like a vulture within 50 feet of us.. So i pull out my camera and start taking pics while my dad calls 911... When the Crazy guy sees me with the camera at this point I pick up the camcorder he drives off a little ways turns around and comes straight at us... Leaves the helm of the boat so now no one is driving the boat walks to the front stands up on the rail and pulled his thing out and started shaking it at us ALL ON VIDEO!!! LOL it was great.... Floyd County met us all at the dock a few minutes later and watched the tape.... The man was arrested his boat was impounded and he lost license rights to own a boat or fish in the state of GA.... They kept the video but I still have some pics.. It was a funny trip to the lake....

 

[CCW]

PICS or it didnt happen! LOL! Sounds like you need to stay off the lake, HAHA!

 

[jjasonbbo1]

I'm tellin ya what... When I go by myself its ok or with the kids... I have never had a problem on my own.... I think its attracted to my dad.. lol... This poor guy just went off at us and as God as my witness we did NOTHING to instigate it... he got off the boat ramp and came straight at us full throttle... The when we ask him POLITELY to watch out and not run us over it was like something snapped.. he started cussin us like dogs and floored it taking off around us.. he made about 3 complete circles before I could get the camcorder on him thats when he pulled his pants down.. I don't have that video it was submitted in court for evidence..